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Old 07-06-2018, 05:03 AM   #57
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I live the comments that are like, my grandpappi had a model T and he towed a 42' AS Classic with and he got over 40 mpg. And that thing had 500,000 miles on it and is still going strong today. Lol
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Old 07-06-2018, 06:28 AM   #58
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The truck has a 6,000 lb payload and a 13,000 lb towing capacity.
So 90% of what you AS guys worry about in a TV is of no concern to someone towing with a vehicle that controls the trailer. Oh, and BTW, this truck has an older 6 cylinder diesel engine that provides towing mpg in the low 20's all day long without a sweat.
Bottom line----Your TV should always weigh substantially more than your trailer for true full time safety.
So you have a truck with a GVWR in the area of 11,000lbs, I say this based on my 1 ton at 11,500lbs, you have a STATED payload of 6,000lbs, which means your trucks weight is 5,000lbs. Seems you are grossly under weighted to be towing a 7,800lb trailer...

Just looking at the facts presented.
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Old 07-06-2018, 06:57 AM   #59
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There are lots of payload numbers being thrown around, including by dealers and manufacturers, but the one that counts is the one on the door sticker on your truck. I believe in staying within those numbers but others have argued, and I tend to agree , its perhaps more important to stay within your axle ratings, which are found on that same sticker. Load your truck and trailer and hitch up and go to CAT scale and see if you are withing those ratings.--Frank
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Any tow vehicle thread that goes beyond three pages has turned into off the wall opinions. Note to self, turn off notifications on tow vehicle threads after three pages.
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Old 07-06-2018, 07:59 AM   #61
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Sorry about that---I fat-fingered the number.
Here are the numbers directly off the factory chart:
With a 3:55 rear axle: Payload is 4090 Curb Wt is 6407 and Tow Weight is 9450 GCWR is 16000 GVWR is 10500 GAWR (rear axle spring cap) is 7500 but mine is upgraded to 8500 Driver Gross Weight is 189
Hope this gives the clear picture. It is a 1 ton dually which yours must be also. And the bloody truck is 21 feet long which makes it no fun to use for a daily driver unless you are making your living with it. But as I said, it tows my trailer like it is not even there.
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Old 07-06-2018, 08:09 AM   #62
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I think you slightly misunderstand my line of thought here. What I am talking about is the fact that poster after poster after poster buys a 25' or larger trailer and then buys a 1/2 ton pickup to tow it, "because it can." I am commenting on safety and it is always best to have a TV that is larger as opposed to smaller. It will always be better and safer to have a TV with dual rear wheels. I'm not saying every one will do this and in fact 99% of the posters will continue to buy 1/2 ton trucks regardless if what I say. But if you think about it there is NO full size truck smaller than a 1/2 ton! So folks are buying the absolute least amount of full size truck available. Thats all. No big deal. Just my opinion. I still want as much truck as I can reasonably get to tow my 31' trailer because I am very sensitive about safety issues.
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Old 07-06-2018, 09:34 AM   #63
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Safety & stability is in loading & hitching concretely determinable at the scales with Mfgr specs. Most importantly with steer & drive weight and TW percentage. Also to a much lesser degree with CVWR, GVWR, & receiver rating. As least as far as basic TV components. The rest is in learning to drive it with sense. The Payload sticker is to help estimate acceptable bed loads and including trailers small enough to not require a WDH when no scale is accessible.

People who estimate toward a payload have no idea how to concretely set up a safe tow rig. It only somewhat happens for them by chance & or being dramatically under the TVs safe limits wherein even with plum stupid set up it’s so light it still tows ok.
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Old 07-06-2018, 03:04 PM   #64
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I was just poking at you, with your numbers, hopefully you didn't feel I was calling you out.

I agree with everything you think regarding safety and weights and being wagged.

Mine is '17 F350 non-dually that is actually over 22 feet long, diesel with a curb weight of 8,000lbs and a travel weight of 9,500. I traded in a GMC Sierra 1500 5.3L ½ ton after 1 year, feeling it did not have enough control over the load both up and down the grades.

While I agree that the lash up and setup is an important part, basic physics is too. I am not an engineer and do not desire to decide my and my wife's life, along with anyone else around me based on having everything set up and working correctly and perfectly, every single time, while I do try my best to do so, I prefer to have a "plum stupid" cushion in there too.

To the line of this thread, I would not waste my money on a 150 diesel, when the EcoBoost is more capable in every way except non towing mpg
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Old 07-07-2018, 12:33 PM   #65
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I am curious if anybody out there can post accurate first hand mileage figures for a 3.5 gas Ecoboost 150 pulling an AS TT around 750p lbs.

I sold mine before getting the Globetrotter, but pulling a small aluminum flat with an old Porsche (total trailer + load about 2500) my mileage dropped to about 10 to 12 if I kept it Under 70. Thanks.
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I am curious if anybody out there can post accurate first hand mileage figures for a 3.5 gas Ecoboost 150 pulling an AS TT around 750p lbs.

I sold mine before getting the Globetrotter, but pulling a small aluminum flat with an old Porsche (total trailer + load about 2500) my mileage dropped to about 10 to 12 if I kept it Under 70. Thanks.
Towing my Flying Cloud 26U (around 6800 lb travel weight, max gross of 7600) in the plains without a lot of wind I get about 11 running 68-70 in 8th. I find that I'd rather run 68 than chase pennies, so when the wind picks up and I keep driving 68 it's more like 10. It drinks like a sailor climbing a pass, but it'll climb in 6th and 7th (7th is direct) and keep up with traffic.

Dead-heading at Texas highway speeds (73-83) gets me around 20 if I don't jab the go-pedal in annoyance too often. This is with a '17 4WD Lariat Supercrew 5.5' box, 3.55:1 diff.
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With that F-250 diesel you ain't gonna need to make ANY apologies about capacities or performance. Just hook it up, get in, and haul ass.
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Old 07-07-2018, 08:09 PM   #68
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If the truck has NOT been monkeyed with, the GVWR is the number to watch. This number takes into account ALL factors of the vehicle towing/braking capacities as well as the engine as supplied with the unit. Having a large capacity axle and no cajohnies to pull the weight means a short lived engine or other drive line component.
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It will always be better and safer to have a TV with dual rear wheels. I'm not saying every one will do this and in fact 99% of the posters will continue to buy 1/2 ton trucks regardless if what I say. But if you think about it there is NO full size truck smaller than a 1/2 ton! So folks are buying the absolute least amount of full size truck available. Thats all. No big deal. Just my opinion. I still want as much truck as I can reasonably get to tow my 31' trailer because I am very sensitive about safety issues.
The concept of a 1/2 ton truck is really a misnomer these days, and it is a pickup category continued over by sales departments from the 1980's.
In fact, Most of the 1/2 ton trucks on the market today, have payloads ranging between 1300 to 2500 lbs; and can tow up to a 27' Airstream.

That is why many knowledgable people, confidently believe some 1/2 ton truck models are quite capable and durable in safely towing their Airstream family trailer.

Not all tow vehicles are required to be a F350 Duel Wheel with a Propride P3 Hitch to tow a 27' Airstream trailer safely. Last year, I agonized for months whether I needed an F250 Tow Vehicle for my 25' FC or can a 1/2 ton Tundra do the job. After long study, I bought the Tundra.
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The concept of a 1/2 ton truck is really a misnomer these days, and it is a pickup category continued over by sales departments from the 1980's.
In fact, Most of the 1/2 ton trucks on the market today, have payloads ranging between 1300 to 2500 lbs; and can tow up to a 27' Airstream.

That is why many knowledgable people, confidently believe some 1/2 ton truck models are quite capable and durable in safely towing their Airstream family trailer.

Not all tow vehicles are required to be a F350 Duel Wheel with a Propride P3 Hitch to tow a 27' Airstream trailer safely. Last year, I agonized for months whether I needed an F250 Tow Vehicle for my 25' FC or can a 1/2 ton Tundra do the job. After long study, I bought the Tundra.

Note that an Airsyream “27” is actually 28 ft. And my Airstream 28 is shorter, at 27’11”.
Go figure...
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