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Old 11-13-2014, 03:12 PM   #57
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Love this topic. Always provides an afternoon smile. Especially when I am lumbering home over the Burlington Skyway in the slow lane and the Minivans are blowing by me, full of happy, smiling faces. I think of Andy and Steve. Jim


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Old 11-13-2014, 03:18 PM   #58
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Love this topic. Always provides an afternoon smile. Especially when I am lumbering home over the Burlington Skyway in the slow lane and the Minivans are blowing by me, full of happy, smiling faces. I think of Andy and Steve. Jim


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Old 11-13-2014, 03:21 PM   #59
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That made me smile, Andy.

It put me in mind of the fellow in the campground at Gananoque who told me, without a flicker of a smile on his face, that I didn't ought to tow in the US with the minivan because it was illegal and I'd have it all impounded immediately. I didn't have the heart to tell him we were just on our way back from two weeks in Plymouth, Massachusetts.

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The biggest problem in this statement is not the legal analysis, nor the vehicular combination; its the question of what in the world is there to do in Plymouth for 2 solid weeks?!
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That made me smile, Andy.

It put me in mind of the fellow in the campground at Gananoque who told me, without a flicker of a smile on his face, that I didn't ought to tow in the US with the minivan because it was illegal and I'd have it all impounded immediately. I didn't have the heart to tell him we were just on our way back from two weeks in Plymouth, Massachusetts.
This reminds me of a nice fellow who was rving in a big motorhome.

We were camped at Manitoulin Island and he stopped to check out our rig. He advised us not to go north off the island because there was a steep grade and we would have trouble with it. As we left the island we went north. We never did realize the grade he warned us about and there was only one road north so maybe we blinked or something, and didn't feel the climb.
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Old 11-13-2014, 10:11 PM   #61
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The biggest problem in this statement is not the legal analysis, nor the vehicular combination; its the question of what in the world is there to do in Plymouth for 2 solid weeks?!
Get stuck in the traffic, mostly
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Old 11-14-2014, 02:18 PM   #62
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Yeah, but your AC unit is in the wrong hole, further aft, which obviously lightens the tongue weight. Plus, I have rear and street-side awnings.

Seriously, though: its all about the gearing. The ol' 318 has 230hp and 300ftlbs (allegedly). But with the 3:55 rear-end.
If you do the math, the combination produces 2000lbs of thrust in 1st gear. (torque x 1st gear x rear end/wheel diameter). Weighs about 5200lbs.
Modern mini's (they're all very similar) produce about 3000lbs, and weigh about 4600lbs. 6 gears instead of 3. Same payload as a 1/2-ton pickup.
My initial thought when I started this thread was about the towing capacities of my Grand Caravan, but you now got me thinking/curious about how (where) my torque is delivered. The Bambi Sport has a base weight of 2860lbs. It will be interesting to see where the sweet spot for me is with my 6 speed transmission.


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My axle ratio is 3.16.
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An AWD minivan with a diesel would be awesome...This coming from a single guy who will never have kids. LOL Still, I think that would be an awesome tow/utility vehicle.
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We recently got rid of our van after ten years, and I'll tell you, we are STILL coming up with reasons we should have kept it (or at least gotten another van). When you take out the seats there is SO MUCH ROOM back there! Vans aren't just for loads of kids. They are just plain handy to have around! I really like the style of the Flex, but we miss the cargo room we would have had if we'd gone with a minivan!
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My neighbor 2 doors down (president of the Mississippi unit) had an Econoline van towing his 27' Airstream. He recently purchased an Expedition and sold the van. He had the same thoughts as stefrobrts about having more room in the van.
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