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Old 04-16-2018, 02:47 PM   #85
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My Dad taught me to drive as if there was an egg between my foot and both the gas and the brake. Not easy to do 55 years ago with hydraulic brakes and a mechanical gas linkage! I currently have 170,000 k on my 2014 Jeep GC with the original discs at 30% ware. I also doddle along at 62 mph. Sometimes faster if I stumble into the commuting crowd. I also try to fix things before they get out of hand but there are always surprises. Has worked ok for me. We also have one 2008 Jeep Diesel in the family that is on its third engine and it is the one with the lowest mileage and easiest life. Go figure. Jim
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Old 04-16-2018, 03:07 PM   #86
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My Dad taught me to drive as if there was an egg between my foot and both the gas and the brake. Not easy to do 55 years ago with hydraulic brakes and a mechanical gas linkage!
Ha! There's an analogy I use where I say "It's like the first time you drove with power brakes".

Few people understand it any more. They can't even drive a stick shift!!
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Old 04-16-2018, 03:11 PM   #87
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I tow our 25' FC with a Dodge Durango (GC with a third seat) with no problems.
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Old 04-16-2018, 03:24 PM   #88
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I tow our 25' FC with a Dodge Durango (GC with a third seat) with no problems.


The Durango is one of the most capable SUVs available especially with the Hemi V8. Lots of happy campers towing 30s as well. Jim
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Old 04-16-2018, 05:00 PM   #89
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How do you all deal with the low payload of the Durango and JGC? I can’t even imagine what the tongue weight of a 30+ AS is, but could see it as high as 1000 lbs. that would have left me 150 pounds for additional weight, not even enough for me to drive it?
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Old 04-16-2018, 07:09 PM   #90
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I have a real fancy WD hitch that returns all weight In excess of the manufacturers recommendations, if any, back to the manufacturer thereby allowing me to be a happy camper. I have no idea what others do. It has worked nicely for me so far. The 2012 Airstream has about 300,000 k on it, mostly between Ontario and Florida and is in excellent condition. I had to repair one low tire on the Jeep this winter and last night, during a nasty weather event, I had to reset the ground fault circuit in the head. That's it. No addition of air to the Michelins from December to today. Head home as soon as you quit sending nasty weather that affects my route. Jim
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Old 04-17-2018, 05:31 AM   #91
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How do you all deal with the low payload of the Durango and JGC? I can’t even imagine what the tongue weight of a 30+ AS is, but could see it as high as 1000 lbs. that would have left me 150 pounds for additional weight, not even enough for me to drive it?
We did it fifty years ago. The principles of leverage. Correct geometry. What’s in the water to make it hard to understand today?
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My Dad taught me to drive as if there was an egg between my foot and both the gas and the brake. Not easy to do 55 years ago with hydraulic brakes and a mechanical gas linkage! I currently have 170,000 k on my 2014 Jeep GC with the original discs at 30% ware. I also doddle along at 62 mph. Sometimes faster if I stumble into the commuting crowd. I also try to fix things before they get out of hand but there are always surprises. Has worked ok for me. We also have one 2008 Jeep Diesel in the family that is on its third engine and it is the one with the lowest mileage and easiest life. Go figure. Jim
Funny you brought that up. Was thinking of it yesterday. On the long list of why to prefer a Chrysler Corporation product WAS the throttle linkage: Rods, not cable. Far better information via ones foot, not to mention easier to hold a particular speed or rpm (remember that as a choice?).

Demonstrating how to ease into and then out of the part-throttle kickdown sold plenty of men on “Extra Care in Engineering”. A GM, all you could do was floor it as you approached the hill (short of forced downshift). A lot of motion for an action not needed for long (which was delaying the 3-2 downshift as long as possible). Burned a lot of fuel unnecessarily. By comparison.

Once you showed a man how to use a vacuum gauge to time the 3-2 downshift (versus rpm) on that ascent, he was sold. You’d be hearing a new Dodge or Chrysler V8-440 firing off down the street that next Saturday morning.

Ford, well, they had to license the Chrysler automatic. But their engines, suspension, etc, wasn’t up to the same level. GM was ten years behind Chrysler in automatics.

The T-Rex of the lonely open road was the A38 Dodge Police Pursuit. Most of the same goodies were in the various HD packages one could order. (Same engines, including the 440-6 triple carb version could also be ordered in a full size Plymouth Fury).

Cars may be “better” today, but they ain’t anywhere near as much fun.

Knowing what to choose — and why — to get the best TV was still proof. On the road test.

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Old 04-19-2018, 07:58 AM   #93
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Gas or diesel in the JGC?
We have the same diesel engine in our RAM 1500 and can't say enough about it. EVERYTHING RAM claims and then some.

With the 1500 you don't get a "truck" ride and you're not throwing the blue boy in the back seat.
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I remember reading this thread a while ago to try and figure out if our 2011 Hemi JGC would be enough tow vehicle for a new 27FB. Despite all the comments from naysayers, we went ahead with the purchase.

Now, a over a year later, I’m happy to report that the Jeep does very well towing the trailer. We have over 9000 miles on the combination so far and have been as far East as Quebec City and just completed a 3k mike cross country move from PA to OR. From the Aditondacks of NY to the Rockies if Montana, the Jeep has been rock solid and a joy to tow with.

Thanks again for all the thoughtful posters who concvinced me to give it a try (and who recommended using a ProPride).
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Just though I would add a comment about the JGC Have used my 2015 JGC Eco Diesel to tow my 19' International and now my new 2018 25' international

It tows great and after having Andy at Can-Am set up my new hitch its even better. They do a fantastic job of reinforcing the hitch and getting it right. Highly recommend them to set up up right!! They even talked me out of buying a new pick up saving me $70K!

Plenty of power no problems.

I have done a few modifications like a Banks monster exhaust, and Deringer programmer, and a K&N intake and have no overheating problems.

Running at 65 - 70 MPH getting 14 MPG
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Glad that it’s workin out for you guys. I liked the JGC as a tow vehicle. I switched to a F150 as with a family of 6 the payload wasn’t enough for us. That’s the only thing I didn’t like is that my JGV payload was so low.

As for towing, it was great for our 23D. The F150 has nearly 2000 pounds of payload and now that works for us way better.
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