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Old 07-10-2015, 05:56 PM   #15
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Smile SUV's versus Trucks as Tow Vehicles

Thanks for your discussion about the Jeep GC with it's eco boost diesel as a tow vehicle for 27' Airstream. PLease let all know how you manage after following your plans as modified or not. I too wonder about using a Jeep GC with it's diesel for our 23' AS.

We tow with a Ford 250 crew cab/4x4/6.7 liter diesel. Overkill some say but we enjoy the added sense of security the big heavy truck provides. Our experience has been nothing but wonderful. Different strokes for different folks. You will know soon enough how things work out.

My Ford 250 is a tremendous off road vehicle.

We have a bicycle rack attached on the back of the 23' AS International Serenity. Bed in the back model. Works great. We had our dealer install the rack at purchase of the trailer.

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Old 07-10-2015, 06:24 PM   #16
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FCA builds the Torqueflite 8 in US factories. It's based on a licensed ZF design, but built by FCA employees in US factories (at least for US-market vehicles.)
That is true for the gas engines models. The Diesel get's the original German made ZF with higher TQ rating.

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Thanks for your discussion about the Jeep GC with it's eco boost diesel as a tow vehicle for 27' Airstream. PLease let all know how you manage after following your plans as modified or not. I too wonder about using a Jeep GC with it's diesel for our 23' AS.

We tow with a Ford 250 crew cab/4x4/6.7 liter diesel. Overkill some say but we enjoy the added sense of security the big heavy truck provides. Our experience has been nothing but wonderful. Different strokes for different folks. You will know soon enough how things work out.

My Ford 250 is a tremendous off road vehicle.

We have a bicycle rack attached on the back of the 23' AS International Serenity. Bed in the back model. Works great. We had our dealer install the rack at purchase of the trailer.

Bon courage,

Adam
Yes, the F250 you have is nice! They are so huge though, hard to off-road on any trails but do fine out in the open. I take it you have the single rear wheel truck and not duallies?
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Old 07-10-2015, 06:41 PM   #17
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Depends on the trail really. F250 would be a fine overland vehicle for the west. Not so much wheeling where we used to go in the George Washington Forest. Wheel base works against it.
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Old 07-10-2015, 07:26 PM   #18
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The Chrysler 3.0 L Ecodiesel DOHC V-6 has been around for several years. Turbo chargers have been used for many years on diesels are basically trouble free. The 3.0 L engine is manufactured by VM Motori who has many years of experience in marine diesels. This engine produces 240 hp @ 3,600 rpm and 420 ft. lbs. of torque at 2,000 rpm. Torque is what moves a heavy load. The diesel has the ability to tow up to 9,200 lbs. and haul 1,600 lbs. Couple this with the German ZF transmission and air ride suspension and they make an excellent tow vehicle capable of over 30 mpg highway. I currently have a 2014 RAM 1500 Hemi Longhorn with all the bells and whistles including air suspension and tow a 2014 Flying Cloud 27 AS . I drove a 1500 with the Ecodiesel today and just ordered a 2016 1500 Longhorn with the diesel. I have towed heavy rigs with numerous Cummins diesels and was thoroughly impressed with the little 3.0 turbocharged Ecodiesel.
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Old 07-10-2015, 07:44 PM   #19
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After suggesting a Curt class 4, i now can't find where they bulid anything but a class 3 for your Jeep. Go the Can Am route and have your stock hitch beefed up.
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Old 07-10-2015, 08:31 PM   #20
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Our 2013 25FB International had a literature tongue weight of 833 pounds. At the dealership after installing the Hensley weight distribution high head and full propane tanks and water and no personal stuff on board, the tongue weight was 1,150 pounds. Loaded with all our stuff ready for camping the tongue weight was 1,175 pounds and the trailer weighted 6,975 pounds out of 7,300 pounds GVW.

So a trip across the scales will be important before buying a trailer to see what the real numbers are. Then load the Jeep with all the stuff and people and see the impact on payload and the axles.

Numbers will tell you the reality versus wishful thinking.

That small diesel was not designed like the 6.7 Cummins in my Dodge. It is a much lighter duty engine more like the 3.0 liter in my Mercedes ML320 CDI. You mentioned chipping the engine with a modified program. That extra power puts more stress on the components before even starting to tow.

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Old 07-10-2015, 09:24 PM   #21
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Wow, ya that tongue weight is getting up there for a SUV. 1,175 would be a bit much.

So basically I couldn't put anything in the Jeep and I would need to go with a reinforced OEM hitch. That starts to limit me on what I would like to do off-road. That really puts a damper on things when that would be my only vehicle. Even to fit a bicycle I would need to either store it in the Jeep or find some way to mount it on the back of the trailer.

So now I am looking into options with a large pickup truck that could not only easily tow the trailer, but some more toys. Sell the Jeep and get:

F350 single rear wheel diesel, 4x4 King Ranch with the 8' bed:

Payload: 3,610
Max Trailer: 15,500

So towing the AS would be no problem. Say a fully loaded tongue weight on the trailer of 1,300.

Plus 500 lbs off-road equipment. 500 lbs of storage inside the cab and in bed. That leaves me 1,300 pound for:

4x4 off-road ATV and smaller/light street motorcycle like a Ducati both back there.

So the truck could do moderate off-road and get me to the hard stuff and then use the bad-ass ATV from there. Plus I would have an awesome street motorcycle to tour around in. Plus room for the bicycle, generators, extra supplies/fuel/water etc if I get real creative with the interior and cargo bed.

I could probably find somewhere to mount the lightweight aluminum ramps for the toys somewhere on the hitch or air-stream itself. Would kinda be a toy-hauler air stream setup. Anyone see any issues with the setup?
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We tow our 2015 EB 25' with a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee diesel Overland and it Loves to pull. Super smooth and 18 miles a gallon towing! I am not the numbers person but will strongly advise an Andersen WD hitch. These things are a beautiful piece of engineering! Look up Andersen hitches, watch the videos and just get it. Our AS dealer recommended it via a AS customer who couldn't believe how simple and effective it is. True that! I hook up the hitch all by myself often and am a 5'3" woman... Their wheel levelers are also super sweet. The Dealer installed the Andersen hitch & the Electronic brake upon delivery of our Airstream....which means they explained how it all works until we could do it ourselves. Enjoy the adventure!
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Zybane, do not take every thing you read here as gospel. Some is nothing more than kitchen table engineering and uninformed opinion presented as fact. The trick is sorting all that out. After you have been around here for awhile you will be able to better do that. Do some additional research here and other sources and you will find many happy actual owners of the GC diesel that tow all sorts of trailers safely and without fancy designer hitches. Good luck on what ever you decide to do.
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That is true for the gas engines models. The Diesel get's the original German made ZF with higher TQ rating.

Both the HEMI and the VM Motori get the 8HP70 higher-torque version (at least in the RAM). Early units came from Germany but according to several sources now they're made in Kokomo, Indiana.


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Old 07-10-2015, 10:34 PM   #26
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I have been towing my 2013 25' International all over with my 2014 Jeep Eco Diesel. I use a Reese Dual Cam hitch and factory hitch.

First off the trailer weights less than you think. My trailer loaded with water and propane and ready to roll is 5500. The tag says 7300.

Second tongue weight is transferred with the hitch to the front wheels. So the SUV doesn't see all the tongue weight in the rear.

As long as you don't exceed the axel limits your fine. I raise the tire pressures up to max load rating to keep sidewall flex low.

It a great combo and get 16 mpg towing and 30 hi way not towing.
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We tow our 2015 EB 25' with a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee diesel Overland and it Loves to pull. Super smooth and 18 miles a gallon towing! I am not the numbers person but will strongly advise an Andersen WD hitch. These things are a beautiful piece of engineering! Look up Andersen hitches, watch the videos and just get it. Our AS dealer recommended it via a AS customer who couldn't believe how simple and effective it is. True that! I hook up the hitch all by myself often and am a 5'3" woman... Their wheel levelers are also super sweet. The Dealer installed the Andersen hitch & the Electronic brake upon delivery of our Airstream....which means they explained how it all works until we could do it ourselves. Enjoy the adventure!
Before recommending that Andersen hitch to others, take it to the scales to see if it is able to restore (distribute) the original weight to your front axle.
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Before recommending that Andersen hitch to others, take it to the scales to see if it is able to restore (distribute) the original weight to your front axle.
doug(cheryl), It will, as many legitimate users have attested too.
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