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Old 11-28-2012, 01:37 PM   #29
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I couldn't really venture an opinion on the suitability of the Jeep Grand as a tow vehicle for a 25' Airstream as I don't know much about that particular vehicle. However, if Can Am has set a few up, with the appropriate modifications, then I'd say that it's perfectly workable tow vehicle.

As Road Ruler has said, if you read some of Andrew T's publications and articles you'll see where he's coming from. Most people in the RV world seem hung up on weight, power and manufacturer's tow ratings but the Can Am approach looks further, taking more account of such things as centre of gravity, suspension geometry and achievable weight transfer; which is how he gets such success with vehicles that others might consider unsuitable.
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:17 PM   #30
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It would be interesting to know Andy Thompson's take on this, since he often outfits smaller cars as tow vehicles.
Andrew T.'s, Road Ruler's, and MrUKToad's responses are why I put the above remark in a previous post in this thread!

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Old 11-28-2012, 04:17 PM   #31
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I took delivery Saturday on a 2013 GC Overland Summit with the factory tow package and 5.7 hemi. My 25 Safari weighs 6240# after getting rid of the crap we take but never use! The GVW on that unit is 7400#. I started to question the need for a 3/4 ton PU after weighing my AS and taking inventory. There is a tongue bracket for a Honda 2000 and I will convert it to propane so that I don't have to address the issues of putting gas inside the GC. Having towed race cars, hot rods and classics all over the west for the past 30 years, I've come to the conclusion that a lot of the advice on the Airforums regarding towing is not unlike the guy that wears suspenders AND a belt to hold up his pants just to be on the safe side!
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:06 PM   #32
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Hello Andy, went you said you strengthen the hitch recever, wath dou you do?
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Old 12-01-2012, 03:07 PM   #33
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Old 12-01-2012, 06:24 PM   #34
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Jim nice trailer...
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Old 12-01-2012, 08:15 PM   #35
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Thanks Tino, I hope you are referring to my Signature although you could also be referring to my son's Globetrotter. As you can see from the photo, I bought it from JW at Can Am. Andy set up the hitch arrangement which required some modifications in order to move a little more weight onto the front axel. He had previously reinforced the original receiver for the Safari. The Jeep is a Diesel and the package works beautifully. I really like the new GC, especially the short rear overhang, but won't get a new one until the Diesel is available.
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. . Having towed race cars, hot rods and classics all over the west for the past 30 years, I've come to the conclusion that a lot of the advice on the Airforums regarding towing is not unlike the guy that wears suspenders AND a belt to hold up his pants just to be on the safe side!
Are the wind loads on those trailers the same as with a travel trailer?

As for advice . . easier that someone new starts with seeing the whole picture: Aero resistance trumps weight; trailer brakes stop the trailer; restoring front axle weight is Step One. Etc. Cover the basics and then modify to use, IOW.

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Thanks Tino, I hope you are referring to my Signature although you could also be referring to my son's Globetrotter. As you can see from the photo, I bought it from JW at Can Am. Andy set up the hitch arrangement which required some modifications in order to move a little more weight onto the front axel. He had previously reinforced the original receiver for the Safari. The Jeep is a Diesel and the package works beautifully. I really like the new GC, especially the short rear overhang, but won't get a new one until the Diesel is available.
So even with the Hensley and weight distribution jacks, the receiver had to be modified?
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Hi Jim,
It appears that we have the same GC Overland Diesel, even the color. I'm just curious as to what modifications you had done to the receiver. I've towed our FC23FB for just over 20,000 mi with an Equalizer WDH and have had no issues other than a bit of receiver rattle. Like you, I'm looking forward to new diesel in mid-2013.
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So even with the Hensley and weight distribution jacks, the receiver had to be modified?
Yes. The 30' Signature has a pretty significant tongue weight particularly when loaded with full propane, fresh water, 4 batteries, And my wife's shoes. Andy put a little angle on the hitch so it behaved a little bit like the angle adjustment that one uses on a normal wd hitch in order to provide a little more lift on the bars and transfer more weight to the front axel. So now, with 1400 lb bars, and the thing cranked to the max, I can load the thing up and go, no issues. I will not get into the US vs Can theory on the TV.
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It appears that we have the same GC Overland Diesel, even the color. I'm just curious as to what modifications you had done to the receiver. I've towed our FC23FB for just over 20,000 mi with an Equalizer WDH and have had no issues other than a bit of receiver rattle. Like you, I'm looking forward to new diesel in mid-2013.
See above. I towed my previous 25' Safari using a Reese Dual Cam, see above photo at the Colonel's in Corbin. It was an excellent combination and performed flawlessly for 200,000k and during its one and only full blowin interstate panic stop. On the current Jeep, Andy at CanAm added some angle bars from the OEM hitch receiver to some place on the frame. Bare in mind that my current Airstream is substantially heavier than yours and the same diesel is just remarkable in its performance.
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On our Sienna, Andy welded two three foot long sections of 'angle bar' behind the reciever box on the hitch and they bolt to the unibody, or maybe the rear sub-frame, at a point close to the rear axle. This modification does help with the transfer of weight but also provides some strength and rigidity to the hitch to counter the torque that the weight distribution system places upon it. We tow a 28' International with a (real) tongue weight of around 1000lbs so it's important get as much of that distributed to the axles as possible. It works, by the way, and we have a very capable tow vehicle.
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So if I understand correctly, the receiver is bolted to the vehicle at the factory mounts, and then these additional bars fasten further up the frame. How much does this affect ground clearance? Any pics available?
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