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Old 02-11-2017, 05:55 PM   #71
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"So, "negligent" conduct is conduct in which the actor failed to take the due care that a reasonable person would take under those circumstances. Would anyone care to argue that failing to observe a vehicle manufacturer's posted GVWR on the door jamb or a manufacturer's tow rating is what a reasonable"

Ahh I think I detect an attorney in the room. DC Bruce is implying that a reasonable person would weigh his vehicles, perhaps on a certified scale, each and every time before departing on a trip. Otherwise, how else would one know exactly if they were exceeding the manufacturer's posted GVWR or not? Isn't that what a reasonable person would do? All others may be considered negligent. I for one have no idea exactly how much I load into my 30'FC. My best guess is 1000lbs +/- 500 lbs. My NCC is 2,478 LBS. rounded to nearest significant digit. Kinda of exact isn't it? Hmmm.
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On an internet forum you can be a lawyer, engineer, experienced rv'er, or anything you want to be. All you have to do is say so. Then pick through the internet for some facts and jargon to make it believable. A few here have become somewhat good at it.

And others here actually are what they say they are. It doesn't take long to know the difference.

Take it all with a grain of salt.
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Old 02-11-2017, 08:57 PM   #73
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I don't know about GVWR, but you have the greatest user name ever!
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Old 02-13-2017, 10:54 AM   #74
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"So, "negligent" conduct is conduct in which the actor failed to take the due care that a reasonable person would take under those circumstances. Would anyone care to argue that failing to observe a vehicle manufacturer's posted GVWR on the door jamb or a manufacturer's tow rating is what a reasonable"

Ahh I think I detect an attorney in the room. DC Bruce is implying that a reasonable person would weigh his vehicles, perhaps on a certified scale, each and every time before departing on a trip. Otherwise, how else would one know exactly if they were exceeding the manufacturer's posted GVWR or not? Isn't that what a reasonable person would do? All others may be considered negligent. I for one have no idea exactly how much I load into my 30'FC. My best guess is 1000lbs +/- 500 lbs. My NCC is 2,478 LBS. rounded to nearest significant digit. Kinda of exact isn't it? Hmmm.
You don't need CAT scale measurements to know that a minivan or a sedan towing a 30+ ft trailer is overloaded.
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You don't need CAT scale measurements to know that a minivan or a sedan towing a 30+ ft trailer is overloaded.
Is determining axle loads without a scale your superpower?
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You don't need CAT scale measurements to know that a minivan or a sedan towing a 30+ ft trailer is overloaded.
In one pithy sentence, that's the whole "go big or die" Airforums argument regarding smaller tow vehicles. Never mind that thousands of people tow perfectly safely and legally with their minivan/sedan/small SUV; because it doesn't align with my preconceived (but baseless) assumptions, it can't be right.

Remember, though,

"That which can be claimed without evidence can be denied without evidence"

You don't need CAT scale measurements to know that a minivan or a sedan towing a 30+ ft trailer is not overloaded.
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In one pithy sentence, that's the whole "go big or die" Airforums argument regarding smaller tow vehicles. Never mind that thousands of people tow perfectly safely and legally with their minivan/sedan/small SUV; because it doesn't align with my preconceived (but baseless) assumptions, it can't be right.

Remember, though,

"That which can be claimed without evidence can be denied without evidence"

You don't need CAT scale measurements to know that a minivan or a sedan towing a 30+ ft trailer is not overloaded.
You are, unfortunately, misrepresenting my position again. I do not care about the type of the tow vehicle: could be sedan, minivan, SUV, truck or HD truck (we have an SUV tow vehicle ourselves). What I care about is honoring the specifications (IMO, a 16' Bambi would be ideal with a minivan). I would have a problem with someone towing 30,000# with an HD truck rated at 15,000# as well. I would also tell them the "negligence" post applies to them as well. DC Bruce's post is what any good lawyer, that has your interest in mind, would tell you (at least in USA. Could be different in Canada, but I doubt it). You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know a big Airstream is beyond the tow rating of a sedan/minivan. And this forum has showed me, these modified setups have a short lifespan (if you actually use them). Most move on to properly rated vehicles. This discussion is not going to go anywhere as you guys have a religious belief in your RV shop. I do not. Hence, I won't post in this thread no more. Good luck!
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