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Old 09-05-2014, 07:11 PM   #113
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Those trucks can be mighty hard to sleep in when it is hot or cold outside.

I have slept with the engine running hundreds of nights, and I am not sorry for it....
Hi, a small propane generator or a gas fired heater, such as used in Military vehicles would be much better option than a stinking, black smoke belching, bag of marbles in a tin-coffee-can noise making Diesel running 24 /7. It doesn't take an 80,000 lb rig-rated-engine to run an A/C compressor.
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Old 09-05-2014, 07:16 PM   #114
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No it doesn't, but widespread availability of APU's is relatively recent, and truth be told, while they are not cheap, their reliability isn't that great.

As far as a propane heater in the cab, first they are illegal, and second, I wouldn't be caught dead burning an unvented heater in a truck cab.

Those cabs are TIGHT.

If you haven't noticed, diesels made in the last 25 years really don't smoke that much. If you see a modern truck belching smoke going down the road something is wrong with it.

Bad turbo , faulty injectors, etc...

Diesels used to smoke pretty bad, but the old two stroke Detroit Diesels were the worst, and at the same time, these two cycle Detroits were used in virtually every city bus from coast to coast... Which may have made the perception of many to think that all diesels were as dirty, as stinky, and as smokey as these buses.

I will say,,, an 8- 93 Detroit in front of a 13 speed was a fun and smooth drive.
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Old 09-05-2014, 07:38 PM   #115
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As far as a propane heater in the cab, first they are illegal, and second, I wouldn't be caught dead burning an unvented heater in a truck cab.


If you haven't noticed, diesels made in the last 25 years really don't smoke that much. If you see a modern truck belching smoke going down the road something is wrong with it.
Hi, While in the Military, I drove an ambulance [cracker box] that had a vented gas fired heater and it was great. Yes, I have noticed that Diesel trucks [big rigs] are much cleaner. I also do know that if they smoke, there is something wrong with them. Big Rigs, or any motor vehicle, that smokes will be cited in California. They must be fixed and inspected, or removed from use on public roads. To me, Diesels are like that big dog down the street that bit you when you were a kid. And once that dislike is in your head, no matter what they do to them, [Diesels] you never feel good being close to one or wanting to own one.
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Old 09-05-2014, 07:43 PM   #116
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The funny thing is,,, the smoke produced by diesels (apart from ozone) never did add much to air pollution, the large particulates that make dark smoke shortly fall to the ground.

So my above edit on perception....

The cabs on old military trucks were not exactly hermetically sealed when the doors and windows were shut....
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I like driving diesels- mercedes, vw, truck, etc. I believe they have their place- heavy loads, semi, generators, etc. Yes, diesels do not smoke unless under and instant load or run hard- acceleration, shifting, etc. The older ones might smoke a bit on cruise but that too might be residual oil or fuel in turbos, etc. With the options though on the market for 7000 lb trailers, a diesel may be preferred by some but not needed.
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A turbojet powered airplane will never match the efficiency of a gasoline piston powered propeller airplane. Try to build a piston powered airplane with a max takeoff weight of a million pounds (Airbus A 380). It can't be done. My Gmc Duramax can tow my Safari 28 over 7,200 ft Donner Pass on I-80 in overdrive with the cruise control set to 65 mph turning 1,700 rpm. No gas pickups have this kind of power at high elevations. A gas engine has to be wound out to make significant power at high elevations. Even if running a engine this hard doesn't wear it out faster than a diesel, it is not a very mechanically satisfying situation compared with the easy pulling of a turbo diesel. A jet airplane is far more satisfying to fly than a prop airplane ( this is what I do for an airline) in part because of the greater, effortless power. Passengers pay more for this experience than they would have to, traveling slower. So, the comparison between gas and diesel cannot be distilled down to cost. I do get 50% better mileage with my Duramax than I got with my Navigator. But I have a diesel for the satisfying, effortless power; and I can afford it. It certainly is not required.
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As Oscar Wilde said, "cynics know the price of everything, and the value of nothing." If you believe that....and I do to some extent, a "value proposition" comes down to some personal decisions that we make, and then deal with the consequences. I just returned from an 8,200 mile trip with my '14 Ram 2500 (6.7L Cummins), pulling my '12 28' Airstream Intl. I can tell you that the "Value" of the truck was demonstrated over and over -- not just climbing the Rockies, but also descending -- where the exhaust brake was so effective that there were a number of fairly steep grades where I didn't need to touch the brakes. Prior to the Ram, I towed with a 2012 Infinity QX56...a terrific tow vehicle (440 pounds of torque). What I didn't have with the Infinity was hauling space, or the safety margin afforded by the "grunt" of the Ram and the awesome braking capability. I know I am probably spending more $ with the diesel -- it was an $8,000 option -- but I feel the "VALUE" is there...and my recent month on the road seemed to validate that. Just speaking for myself, of course.
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[QUOTE=rp709;1507491] Try to build a piston powered airplane with a max takeoff weight of a million pounds (Airbus A 380). It can't be done. QUOTE]

Hi, "Spruce Goose."

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Hi, "Spruce Goose."



The Spruce Goose actually had a gross weight of 400,000 lbs . Still damn heavy!!!
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The spruce goose has diesel engines..

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Friend who is over-the-road trucker bought the hype from Ford on the towing fuel efficiency of new Ecoboost over his previous 5.4V8. He averages 8.5mpg with his quad cab 2013 F150 pulling a 4800lb trailer.... Extremely disappointed.
Take all the graphs above with grain of salt.
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Friend who is over-the-road trucker bought the hype from Ford on the towing fuel efficiency of new Ecoboost over his previous 5.4V8. He averages 8.5mpg with his quad cab 2013 F150 pulling a 4800lb trailer.... Extremely disappointed.
Take all the graphs above with grain of salt.
Hi, does your friend tow an Airstream or a white box trailer? If the same trailer, what mileage was he getting with his 5.4L? My 5.4L used to get 11.5 MPG, but now only gets 10.5 MPG while towing my Airstream. I'm still on the fence as to whether I should buy a Eco-Boost or an 5.0L F-150. Most reports that I have read show the Eco-Boost getting the same tow mileage, but much better going solo.
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If a person tows their trailer 10,000 miles a year, and gas costs $3.50 a gallon, the difference between 15 MPG and 10 MPG is $1,167.

Is it worth paying lots more initially for a couple of MPG?
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