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Old 09-24-2015, 08:03 AM   #71
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My primary reason for wanting to stay with a 1/2 ton for now is more about our daily lifestyle. We live right IN Dallas and parking is already a beast in our Tahoe half the time. We need something that can be a daily driver around town, pull our Airstream, and also carry us, two large Labradors, and our stuff :-) We own a business and work together so many days we are in just one car, and while I now drive a small SUV I suspect that if we have a brand new truck or SUV it'll be the shiny new toy and we'll want to drive it everyday! So we do need to not get ourselves trapped in small parking garages if possible.

I'm glad to hear there are several folks successfully and happily pulling 27-28' trailers with the new F150. We'll probably realistically have our trailer out 15-20 times/year or so for the next several years. Primarily in TX, AR, OK, etc but we may get up to CO sometimes too (we hope!).

If we are back to ~1700 payloads on 1/2 truck then the Suburban becomes tempting again. We've always had SUV's and do love the interior space they offer.

We do need to test drive the GMC/Chevy 2500, but for now we really love the new F150 on the truck side or the Suburban/Yukon XL on the SUV side.

Decisions.............
Hey guys! You might recall I own that Chevy 2500, and it's a towing beast! It has no idea that trailer is back there... but two things I hate about it....... After a long drive, you need a visit to the chiropractor. That frame is stiff and it beats me to heck and back. Second, gas mileage sucks, always.

I've been thinking about getting a ford ecoboost, but not for towing the trailer, but towing the boat and using it as a more back friendly daily driver.

Were I in your shoes.... I would look at the Ram real hard in a 2500, and for all that parking garage business I would have myself a used mini cooper, a used fiat, or a used smart car - under 15k, pay cash
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Hey guys! You might recall I own that Chevy 2500, and it's a towing beast! It has no idea that trailer is back there... but two things I hate about it....... After a long drive, you need a visit to the chiropractor. That frame is stiff and it beats me to heck and back. Second, gas mileage sucks, always.
What year and trim is your truck? We find the 2015 3/4 ton Silverados and Sierras to be exceptionally comfortable and well-appointed trucks. No back pain or discomfort whatsoever after a long day on the road.

And the mileage is superb; we get about 19-20 mpg in general driving around and about 14 mpg towing the 30' Serenity, truck and trailer all loaded up. I'm thrilled with the mileage! Tonneau cover probably helps a bit - they say it can reduce fuel consumption by 10%, which is significant.

Ours is a 2015 GMC Sierra Denali HD with Duramax/Allison. Could not be happier with that choice, but I'm sure I would feel the same way about a 2015 Silverado 2500 LTZ or Sierra 2500 SLT with Duramax/Allison.
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What year and trim is your truck? We find the 2015 3/4 ton Silverados and Sierras to be exceptionally comfortable and well-appointed trucks. No back pain or discomfort whatsoever after a long day on the road.

And the mileage is superb; we get about 19-20 mpg in general driving around and about 14 mpg towing the 30' Serenity, truck and trailer all loaded up. I'm thrilled with the mileage! Tonneau cover probably helps a bit - they say it can reduce fuel consumption by 10%, which is significant.

Ours is a 2015 GMC Sierra Denali HD with Duramax/Allison. Could not be happier with that choice, but I'm sure I would feel the same way about a 2015 Silverado 2500 LTZ or Sierra 2500 SLT with Duramax/Allison.
Just a plain jane 2012 gas 6.0L 2500 HD LT. I get 12 or 13 mpg not towing, and 8 towing... it's horrible...
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Trucks are personal choices, as much as choosing a spouse me thinks.

For me, I am presently writing from Winnemucca following an enjoyable traverse of the Sierra's in the 2015 F150 3.5 Ecoboost. We have the 27' Airstream fully loaded for our adventure across America and can only state that it is really a joy to drive, especially running up through the Mountains. I have nothing but good things to say about this rig, and no regrets at all for not "up-grading" to a 250 Diesel.

Once in Nevada, my spouse was driving us along at 70+, the speed limit is 75 and the big rigs motor along at that rate, but I cautioned her to limit us to 65. 563 miles so far, and averaging 11.1 mpg. This is way, way better than ever achieved in our Dodge 3500 Ram Van.

By the way, before fully loading for the trip I weighed the truck & trailer in at 12,180 lbs. and may go to another CAT Scale, but really don't believe it's necessary.
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Just a plain jane 2012 gas 6.0L 2500 HD LT. I get 12 or 13 mpg not towing, and 8 towing... it's horrible...
Plasma800... I very much understand your displeasure with those numbers.

Good news is, if you want to do so, the new Chevys and GMCs are fantastic; wonderfully comfortable. And mileage with the 3/4 ton truck with Duramax is simply amazing. We are loving the choice. Around 20 mpg for general driving and around 14 mpg while towing the 30' Serenity, fully loaded. Diesel fuel is around the same price as gas. We're enjoying the towing mpg very much, as our previous RV (44' diesel pusher) got around 7 mpg.
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Um, "around" 20 mpg general driving and "around" 14 mpg towing an Airstream is not amazing.
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It appears that the biggest Eco-Boost has 365 hp and 420 ft. lbs of torque.

Yes, we travel routinely in the Rockies, Sierra Nevada, and mountains of Arizona. The Duramax (397 hp/765 ft. lbs. torque) engine compression is incredibly powerful descending steep grades... it holds back the fully loaded 30' International like it wasn't even behind us.
//TANGENT TANGENT TANGENT

I have a ODB connector port and the associated IOS/Android apps to track and record all my engine variables. I am heading up to Skyline Drive / Loft Mountain this week -- I ought to do a timed capture of data while towing to show, if possible, the graphs on variables in tandem... it's a bit more auto-geek than airstream, but ought give some fodder for the discussion....
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I don't get 20 mpg empty and 14 towing.
I get 15 empty and at best 13 towing. 12 is a good average.
I will not buy a $65,000 truck to get 5 more mpg empty or 2 more mpg towing.
How much gas can I buy for $65,000?
How much gas can I buy for $46,000 after trading and getting $19,000 trade for my truck?


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Styling is neither here nor there, but...
If I am buying a truck today I would prefer a 2014 redesign of a Tundra, Silverado/Sierra or a 2015 F150 over the 2009 body style of the Ram, the 2004 body style of the Titan, or the 1999 styling of the F250/F350.
I bet a redesign of the F250/F350 is just around the corner. Maybe it will attractive/nice looking. The 2016 Titan styling is just hideous. Nissan ain't really got a dog in that hunt anyhoo.


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Styling is just as subjective as color.
I only want silver with a black interior.
I've gone through stages/phased. I used to want black vehicles.
I have had yellow, green, red, gray, black, and silver- 3 silver vehicles.
If I am getting a used one at a good price, color doesn't matter so much, but if I am buying new I want what I want.
Case in point: our 2014 Avalon bought new- silver with black interior- they had to send a man to Teague Toyota in El Dorado, AR to get it.
My 1987 Mazda B2000: I don't know where they got it, but the day I did the deal the only colors on the lot were white and brown. In 20/20 hindsight I should have taken the white one, but I was 17 and wanted a red one- a red one with gray area interior, bumper, tape deck, and a/c. Those were the days. $500 down payment and notes of $149.50-


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Per the Ford web site, the payload package for the 5 1/2 bed super crew cab with 3.5 eco boost engine and max trailer package is 2,170 lbs. That's 624 lbs more than a 2014. Very close to the 700 lb weight savings. Towing capacity is over 11,000 lbs. I hope it's correct as mine gets delivered next week.
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Plasma800... I very much understand your displeasure with those numbers.

Good news is, if you want to do so, the new Chevys and GMCs are fantastic; wonderfully comfortable. And mileage with the 3/4 ton truck with Duramax is simply amazing. We are loving the choice. Around 20 mpg for general driving and around 14 mpg while towing the 30' Serenity, fully loaded. Diesel fuel is around the same price as gas. We're enjoying the towing mpg very much, as our previous RV (44' diesel pusher) got around 7 mpg.
I'm gonna get me a new truck one of these days. I would love to take advantage of the goodies they build into them.
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My take on braking our gas pickup and Airstream when needed is . . . that's what they are there for and they are very effective. Especially with 2,000 lbs less pickup weight to slow. With winter approaching, it's very good to be using some trailer braking should you come upon a patch of ice to prevent jackknifing.
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