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Old 07-25-2015, 08:05 AM   #43
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My only advice in recommending a tow vehicle, as I feel they are all capable, would be, if power loss in higher higher elevation bothers you any, get something with a turbocharged engine.
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I was reading the additional comments and noticed I typed in the wrong information in my post. The max tow package includes the 3.55 E Lock differential. Brain lapse for a moment. Also includes an upgraded front stabilizer bar.

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I just read through the comments and I know that this post may ruffle some feathers but I noticed that several were not afraid to hold back their opinions so I will be open as well. I shopped carefully and took notes. Also, the question of SAE standard was asked. Here is a full article on such:

Standardized Tow Rating Procedure Finally Gaining Traction | Edmunds.com

Ford was the first of the big three to go for it. Toyota even prior to that. Nissan hasn't yet.

I want to discuss my experience with the Ram dealer and their trucks. The reason is because I have read so MANY articles lauding their superior capability. I don't find it to be accurate. Here is what I found. The ride and steering was my first critical comparison as they were the highest rated on three different reviews. The ride was, IMO like the other trucks. I did not notice any difference really. On the curvy road (their test track for customers) the steer was light and tight but the vehicle felt heavy (It was 6000#) Naturally I was driving the recommended 5.7 hemi with 3.92 axle. The manager told me that is what I needed to comfortably haul a 7000# trailer. As I mentioned in the other post, I pushed for the ecodiesel as a possibility and was steered away from it by both sales and management. Once I saw the 1400# payload figure, I knew why. In my examination of the Ram I found the door seals to be sticking out of the sides of the door cracks and the rubber ends or slits not attached to each other. This was on three of them I looked at. My assumption is that they are all that way. Additionally. The ones in the lineup i looked at had silver painted bottoms but the top color showed through on spots in the silver. Then after considering the 5.7 with the 3.92, I asked the salesman about the MPG rating on the hemi and he said the 15 whatever hwy rating was based on a hemi with the shorter gear ratio 3.21 and then he hit me with the 1460# payload figure. The manager said that it can get 200# more if I go with the payload package but... I just left disgusted.
In a nutshell the Ram was $5K less than the F-150, The Tundra was $3K less and the Silverado 1500 $2K less but I have now reviewed my paperwork and got 14.1% off MSRP-an excellent price (see True Car) toward that left side on the graph!

As far as towing capability, like Mach5 says, the XLT is the best bet for maximizing the payload/towing but these trucks all tow/haul a lot. I took mine to the CAT scale today- It weighs exactly 400#@5080, less than my 2009 XLT but remember this is a decked out Lariat being compared to a minimalist XLT. It was a good truck but just not loaded with a bunch of goodies. BTW, I found out at the dealer yesterday that the HD payload is NOW an order option on the Lariat. It was grayed out when we looked a few weeks back. They also show a dynamic trailer backing system?!?. The dealer said that those ordered from Aug forward will probably come in as 2016 models. I got the impression that several updates to various systems are also coming- radio system, transmission, etc. My 1720# payload 11,900# tow is more than enough for me. I cannot wait to try it out!

I have to say that you need to get the tow mirrors when you buy the vehicle-either included or when you order because I just checked thinking that I would add them as mine did not have them- bad move. The mirrors are a $165 option when purchased with the truck. They are outrageous afterwards. The 360 cameras, spotlights and power stuff is all a part of that mirror and they are I was told unofficially about $1200 to add! So, I will be using my Aero mirrors I guess.
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Old 08-30-2015, 03:34 PM   #46
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We are looking to buy a FC 23 and need a truck to go with it. We really like Toyotas in general, and are looking seriously at the Tundra (5.7 engine, towing 10,000 lbs). I am very disappointed though with the poor mileage (13 city, 18 highway) and am considering other options.
Our AS dealer recommended the F150 eco boost 2wd V6.
Does one of you have any thoughts n this?

Oh, I forgot I would like to hit a lot of natl parks and tow safely in the mountains.
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You won't be getting much better mileage from any pickup unless you go with a Ram 1500 Ecodiesel. I had a 2010 Tundra Double Cab SR5 2x4 and it got 11 to 13mpg towing 60mph. Unloaded 19 mpg. 4x4 Tundras would probably get slightly less mileage.

What you need to look at more closely for any pickup is the payload sticker on the door. May sure the available load is enough for your needs.

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No truck will get much better mileage.
I will sacrifice a few mpg's for Toyota quality and all that power.
I get 11-13 mpg towing. Not many trucks will do better than that.
If I ever need another tow vehicle, I will get another Tundra. I will only buy Toyotas.


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Well, since we cannot in fact get a new F150 with all the options we want AND the HDPayload and finding a used one is like tracking down a unicorn, we started reverting back to SUV's again (we will not rehash that again here now).

This weekend we borrowed a new 2015 Yukon XL Denali. 420hp, 460lbs torque, 3.23 axle ratio, 4WD, 22" wheels, magnetic ride control, just under 1600payload (which is roughly the same as most actual F150's we've found).

I think it could be our "Tahoe/Truck" combo. Longer wheelbase, more space, easier to get he old labs in and out bc the backseat door is wider bc the wheelbase doesn't intrude into the door like in the Tahoe.

We are sleeping on it tonight.......but she's a beauty and might be OUR best combo for daily needs + towing.
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I note on HogFan's post above it sounds like the "HD-Payload package" is still not available. Does anyone insight as to when (or if) that will change?

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Old 08-30-2015, 10:49 PM   #51
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Well, since we cannot in fact get a new F150 with all the options we want AND the HDPayload and finding a used one is like tracking down a unicorn, we started reverting back to SUV's again (we will not rehash that again here now).

This weekend we borrowed a new 2015 Yukon XL Denali. 420hp, 460lbs torque, 3.23 axle ratio, 4WD, 22" wheels, magnetic ride control, just under 1600payload (which is roughly the same as most actual F150's we've found).

I think it could be our "Tahoe/Truck" combo. Longer wheelbase, more space, easier to get he old labs in and out bc the backseat door is wider bc the wheelbase doesn't intrude into the door like in the Tahoe.

We are sleeping on it tonight.......but she's a beauty and might be OUR best combo for daily needs + towing.
Hogfan... it might be worth your while to swing by a Chevy dealer and check out the payload capacity on a nicely-loaded Suburban. The engine specs won't be quite what they are with the Denali, but you might gain some very useful cargo capacity, save some moolah, and have the same overall vehicle.

Denalis are great (we have a Sierra Denali HD and have had a Yukon Denali and a Yukon XL Denali) but if the Suburban LTZ gives more cargo capacity, minimally less engine specs, and saves money... that might be the sweet spot.

I would also check a Yukon XL SLT version for cargo capacity and compare that to the Yukon XL Denali.

You have to check inside the driver's door for the actual payload (cargo capacity) of the specific vehicle you are looking at.

It is possible that you might benefit more from a little more cargo capacity than from a little bit more engine. But only you can determine your cargo capacity needs.

Lastly, don't forget towing mirrors. Find out what options you have for upgrading the mirrors on whatever SUV you buy to give you better towing mirrors. And don't take a salesperson's word on anything... you must confirm with a reliable source if you are to know for sure.
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Hey DHart, does the Suburban have more cargo space? Or equal cargo, but less $$ for just a little less engine power?
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Hey DHart, does the Suburban have more cargo space? Or equal cargo, but less $$ for just a little less engine power?
Aside from very minor trim differences:

Tahoe LTZ = Yukon SLE
Suburban LTZ = Yukon XL SLE

These vehicles are practically interchangeable, but do differ slightly in looks and perhaps some minor options. I would be equally happy with either, if the looks, color, features were as I wanted.

Interior space-wise, the Chevy Suburban is exactly the same as the GMC Yukon XL and the GMC Yukon XL Denali.

Chevy Tahoes & Suburbans, GMC Yukons and Yukon XLs, and Denalis all come from the same design, parts, quality, and share the same assembly line, as I recall. They only differ with small trim, styling, and decor details.

Denali models are differentiated with having engines tuned for slightly more HP and torque... giving them something slightly tangible to set themselves apart from the rest of the Chevy and GMC twins.

Remember that the more optional goodies that are added, including a bigger engine, that takes away from cargo capacity (payload). And since each vehicle is optioned out differently, the cargo capacity will vary from individual vehicle to individual vehicle.

I know that Denali has worked its way into your emotions by now, for sure. But if you can just hold out a little longer while you look closely at the Suburban LTZ models and the Yukon XL SLE models, check out the cargo capacities, check out the pricing, pit one against the other, then you can make your decision one way or the other a little more confidently and assuredly.

In the end, Chevy Tahoes & Suburbans, GMC Yukons and Yukon XLs, and Cadillac Escalades are the industry standard for SUVs. That's why whenever you see celebrities, dignitaries, high level polticians, etc. arriving... they most often arrive in black Suburbans, Yukons, or Escalades. They ARE awesome vehicles, all practically identical except for trim and minor details, and are the industry leaders for full-size SUVs. And they have been for many decades.
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I just noticed something interesting about the specs posted on the GMC website for the Yukon XL Denali.....They now have the specs for 2015 and 2016 available, so of course I had to take a look at the payload.

For 2015 "Max Payload" is 1519 pounds. For 2016, it goes down to 1491.
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Hi from AZ. . . in spite of recent comments like 'I will only buy Toyota' . I'm on my 3rd Ford And prefer them based on my experience, & I think others should do the same. I had a Tundra & didn't like it. But we're all different & make different choices . . .Do your 'due diligence' and make your choice. . . there are a lot of choices out there, digest all the B.S. here and pick what you like. . .and get out there ! regards, Craig
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Sorry DHart, originally misunderstood what you were mentioning about "cargo capacity" and thought you were referring to actua space rather than available payload!
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