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Old 07-20-2015, 12:50 PM   #15
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I know a guy who purchased a new 36' sob with 3 slides.
He bought that very F150 Lariat Supercrew.
He is convinced.
It is a nice truck, but I ain't traded in my Tundra any time soon.
Was that towing capacity using the SAE J2807 standard?
When all manufacturers use that standard, then we can all compare apples to apples.
Toyota uses the SAE J2807 standard for rating tow capacities. I'm not sure if anyone else does.
Yes Ford uses J2807 for tow capacities. as do RAM and GM.
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One size does NOT fit all.

Not saying I'm "RIGHT" - but I'm upgrading from a 2013 EcoBoost to either a 2500 or 3500 Chevy/GMC (?RAM?). And I have a 25 EB.

The ENGINE on the EcoBoost is really good, went over Donner Pass with only moderate strain. The anti-sway built in brake controller impresses me. The computer displays on the console DO NOT impress me as they have malfunctioned frequently enough to be an irritant. The brakes and suspension verge on wimpy compared to a 2500.... that scared the spit out of me on my recent trip.

I AM A FULL TIMER - that makes a big difference. If you take your 27 ft. Airstream out 8 to 14 weekends per year... yeah, go ahead and get a slightly underbuilt tow vehicle and save money. If your family situation requires that you have two vehicles, whoever works from home can have the guzzler and whoever commutes 45 minutes each way can drive the hybrid.

LADIES, be flexible. These days, 80% of school bus drivers are women. You CAN drive the big truck... it might be just as scary as getting behind the wheel the first time when you were a teenager, but it's still just a learned skill. It is literally no harder than learning to operate a sewing machine or a stand mixer. Of course on all three of those skills there are people who barely get by and people who are determined to be somewhere between above average and expert. Decide to conquer it. If you've given birth (or gone through the hoops of adopting) and stare being a PARENT in the face every day, NOTHING should scare you. Spit in the eye of fear! What you do every day raising children is about 1000 times harder than driving anything that rides on the highways.


I've re-thunk the "all purpose vehicle" vs. the "big honkin' tow vehicle" and some backup over and over. For a single person owning two cars is just plain stupid. A motorcycle or a motorized bike as your "when it's not raining/snowing/100 degrees" second vehicle is only marginally better. Going DOWN a curvy mountain road at 35 mph while smelling something suspiciously like your wimpy little brake pads smoking... and knowing there are 7 more miles of steep grades..., and you've aleady got your brake controller set to GRAB... That IS a really good reason to get a 3/4 or 1 ton. Not going into a flop sweat once or twice a year IS sufficient reason to have a robust tow vehicle IMHO.

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As we narrow our search for a new tow vehicle for our 2015 27'FB we seem to be semi narrowing in on the 2015 F-150, Lariat, crew cab, 5.5' bed. The only sales mento date who seems to know anything at all claims we could get one with the towing and max payload pkg, which would provide 12,200lbs tow capacity and ~2,800lbs payload. I do need to check on gas tank size on that, but if that's accurate, that is pretty impressive for a 1/2 ton anything and he has my attention. Since payload is probably where we are pushing the limits now, another 1,200lbs to spare is certainly appealing.

Since we are accustomed to SUV's we'll want to at least add a bed cover of some kind or possibly even a camper shell.

If ONLY GM would roll out that rumored 2016 Suburban 2500 to us normal folks.....!!!!!!
Unless you are generally opposed to diesel, I suggest taking a lot at the Dodge Ram Eco-Diesel. I do not own one but understand the mileage is far superior to gas engines and the capacity, both towing and payload, are better.

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F150 Tow Info

I have the new F150, 6.5 bed, Max Tow package, and love it. I got tired of the expense and upkeep on the F350. Of course, as soon as I placed my order for the F150, diesel prices dropped below gas for the first time in recent memory.

Here's the link to F150 info;

http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/g...0_r2_May19.pdf
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Unless you are generally opposed to diesel, I suggest taking a lot at the Dodge Ram Eco-Diesel. I do not own one but understand the mileage is far superior to gas engines and the capacity, both towing and payload, are better.

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EcoDiesel mileage is better. Towing is competitive. Payload is worse.
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Yes Ford uses J2807 for tow capacities. as do RAM and GM.

That is good to know. Apples to apples is better for comparison and to know what you're really working with.


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Cool Power for towing

For what it is worth, here is my input on gas engine/drive train towing power. I live at greater elevation (6000') than most of the other respondents. I have found that power is lost the higher you go (diesel is the exception). The best performance for elevation gain is to get the lowest gear ratio possible. Rear end ratios used to be published on the spec. tag of the truck which usually is posted inside the glove compartment, on the lid. IMHO, the 410/411 rear end ratio is the best. This ratio may not be available any longer due to EPA restrictions. Go with the lowest available. Next, go with engine horse power that will be compatible with the gross load (trailer completely packed). I am towing a 1988 25' Excella, gross load= 4000#. I can take most of the high elevation passes (11,000'+) in Colorado at 35-45 mph with a 2005 Chevy Silverado, crew cab, 5.4L engine, 410/411 rear end, using the tow feature. I average 13 MPG on reasonably flat highway @ 60mph.

I have a few friends who have gone with tow vehicles which were recommended by dealer sales, were grossly under powered/geared and they have ended up trading within a short time.
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Ford has missed the boat

I am sorry but the eco-boost engine just doesn't make any sense to me. They have taken about 1000 lbs out of the weight of the truck with the alum cab. They have also swapped out the V-8 with a V-6. Now inorder to get the horsepower they have added not one but two turbochargers. So when you need the horsepower pulling your 9000# trailer with a 7000 fully loaded TV the Turbo's are ON. For me that will be about 50% when I am pulling the trailer. Since I put 10,000 miles per year on the trailer the turbo's will be on about 100-150 hours per year. That means I have exceed the life of the Turbo in one year. $2500+ repairs thank you. Also the 7000# TV could be thrown around a bit with the #9000 trailer in that unforeseen event that would land your 90,000 trailer and 50,000 Truck in the ditch. I have looked at the F-150 long and hard and I just can't make that gamble. I would feel more comfortable with the Dodge and Hemi V-8 and 8 speed but it is just not rated high enough for load capacity. With 2 men in the truck and 800# tongue weight you would have enough load capacity to carry an additional 2 suitcases and a fishing pole no fish line or hooks.

I am not disagreeing that the Ford will do the job but at what cost. Would hate to be boondocking and have to leave the trailer in the wild to go get the truck fixed. Again, not the gamble I am willing to take.

Looks like the F250 will be the choice until Ford and Chrysler Come to their senses and make a real truck that will do this RV job at the 1/2 T level.

Love to hear of any success with the 2015 F-150 Miles driven and maintenance costs.

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For what it is worth, here is my input on gas engine/drive train towing power. I live at greater elevation (6000') than most of the other respondents. I have found that power is lost the higher you go (diesel is the exception).

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Small correction here. Diesel is not the exception, forced induction is the exception. All of the modern diesels are turbocharged, as is the Ecoboost, and the forced induction is what minimizes the loss of power from altitude. A naturally-aspirated diesel would also lose power at altitude.
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I am sorry but the eco-boost engine just doesn't make any sense to me. They have taken about 1000 lbs out of the weight of the truck with the alum cab. They have also swapped out the V-8 with a V-6. Now inorder to get the horsepower they have added not one but two turbochargers. So when you need the horsepower pulling your 9000# trailer with a 7000 fully loaded TV the Turbo's are ON. For me that will be about 50% when I am pulling the trailer. Since I put 10,000 miles per year on the trailer the turbo's will be on about 100-150 hours per year. That means I have exceed the life of the Turbo in one year. $2500+ repairs thank you. Also the 7000# TV could be thrown around a bit with the #9000 trailer in that unforeseen event that would land your 90,000 trailer and 50,000 Truck in the ditch. I have looked at the F-150 long and hard and I just can't make that gamble. I would feel more comfortable with the Dodge and Hemi V-8 and 8 speed but it is just not rated high enough for load capacity. With 2 men in the truck and 800# tongue weight you would have enough load capacity to carry an additional 2 suitcases and a fishing pole no fish line or hooks.

I am not disagreeing that the Ford will do the job but at what cost. Would hate to be boondocking and have to leave the trailer in the wild to go get the truck fixed. Again, not the gamble I am willing to take.

Looks like the F250 will be the choice until Ford and Chrysler Come to their senses and make a real truck that will do this RV job at the 1/2 T level.

Love to hear of any success with the 2015 F-150 Miles driven and maintenance costs.

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How you imagine that the design life of a modern turbocharger is less than 150 hours of boost is beyond me, but if you have some actual metrics on that I'd be interested to see. I've been driving turbocharged automobiles for hundreds of thousands of miles over the last few decades and have yet to replace a turbo, though it's certainly true that turbos die on both compression- and spark-ignition engines from time to time.

If memory serves there are 8 Ecoboost drivers in my WBCCI unit, with trucks as old as 2011. None of them has replaced a turbo or had any other catastrophic failure, though 2 have experienced the problem with the early-design intercoolers in humid environments. They're towing trailers ranging from a Wee Wind to a 30' Classic.

Another of our members tows an Ambassador with an EcoDiesel, his turbos are also spinning madly and not showing any signs of disintegration.

Several others are towing with half-tons of various other brands (myself included) over hill, dale and mountain pass. I don't denigrate your choice of a 3/4 ton, but there's no reason for unfounded aspersions to be cast on the half tons either.
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We have a 15 F150 Lariet super crew with a 5.5' bed and the Ecoboost 3.5 engine w/tow package and 3.31 rear end and are towing our 1998 30' Excella with no problems. We have towed it up to Estes Park, CO and back down. I am very impressed with the truck, but then again I am not a GM fan.
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Forgot we also have the extended range fuel tank which is 36 gal
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Just thought I would throw in my two cents on the durability question of the EcoBoost. I have two of them, four if you include the Explorer and Escape I have. The two F150's, one is a 2011 and the other a 2015. Both Platinums. Increased payload on the 2015 by 500 lbs over the 2011. The 2011 has over 125,000 miles on it pulling horse trailers, Polaris trailers and Airstreams. Only issue on that one was an intercooler issue. No other problems. On the 2015 F150, 17,500 miles and no issues at all. About 4,500 of those miles are pulling an Airstream, either a 25FC or a 28FC. The other two EcoBoosts have about 100,000 miles on them with no issues either.

I keep the boost gauge on as one of my selected gauge options and boost typically runs very low. Not using full boost most of the time as someone suggested. In pulling through Colorado, Montana, Wyoming and then up the Jasper National Park in Canada, had zero issues pulling up the mountains. In fact, out performed many other naturally aspirated vehicles as not starving for air like most of those do. I will admit, a 3/4 to 1ton might be nice if you don't handle coming down the mountains right. Control your speed coming into the decline and use the truck gearing and we have not had an issue, even when someone pulled right out in front of us.

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I pull a 2015 27 FC with my 2013 Ford 4x4 Supercrew with 3.5L EcoBoost engine and MaxTow package and a 6.5' bed. I live in New Mexico and most often we travel to Colorado and have encountered some pretty diverse terrain and most every mile is at or over 5000 foot elevation. The F150 pulls that 27' Airstream without a whimper. It might drop down a gear on a grade or possibly 2 on a really good grade. The six speed keeps the RPMs in a comfortable range and that EcoBoost engine continues to impress me with all the power I need when towing and good mileage when I am not. Heck I average 12 to 13 while towing. All in all it is a good combination and an amazing truck.
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