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Old 03-20-2013, 12:49 PM   #57
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Agree, those were not the greatest TV's. Can you tell us more about how it was set up. Any photo's?
I refuse to admit which type of hitch was being used because of all the hitch wars on this forum but it was a quality brand.. Those photos were tossed out, lets just say the wife still suffers a little PTSD from this event.

After 23 years as a Green Beret in the Army, teaching High altitude jumping, and being shot at in 7 different countries, that was the most scared I have ever been in my life. I have only pulled with much heavier pick ups since then.
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:08 PM   #58
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I refuse to admit which type of hitch was being used because of all the hitch wars on this forum but it was a quality brand.. Those photos were tossed out, lets just say the wife still suffers a little PTSD from this event.

After 23 years as a Green Beret in the Army, teaching High altitude jumping, and being shot at in 7 different countries, that was the most scared I have ever been in my life. I have only pulled with much heavier pick ups since then.
"Much heavier pickups" is not a path to safer handling when towing. A stable tow vehicle with adequate power, independent suspension, low center of gravity, excellent braking, and properly hitched, weight distributed and loaded is a better direction.

Is the op's Santa fe adequate to safely tow his 16' Bambi? If properly set up, it may work very well. But like any tow vehicle, proper set up, not size, is the key.

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Old 03-20-2013, 01:22 PM   #59
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"Much heavier pickups" is not a path to safer handling when towing. A stable tow vehicle with adequate power, independent suspension, low center of gravity, excellent braking, and properly hitched, weight distributed and loaded is a better direction.

Is the op's Santa fe adequate to safely tow his 16' Bambi? If properly set up, it may work very well. But like any tow vehicle, proper set up, not size, is the key.

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All very true. But, after my bad day I will use a wider heavier vehicle that is set up properly. I have been towing all types of travel trailers for over 20 years and have never been upside down in a Pick up (knock on wood). The one time I towed with a smaller wheel base SUV I ended up on the roof. Everyone here has their own opinions on what tows the best. I know what works for me.

I wish everyone here the best of luck, and do not want to scare people. I should have not said anything about the accident.

Sorry, T4
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:27 PM   #60
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T4halo,
Don't be sorry for telling us about your practical, real life experiences with your towing accident. It just shows there is always inherent risk even with a properly set up tow vehicle. I don't blame you for staying with a heavier vehicle.
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:30 PM   #61
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Hey T4 did you know a Derek Lisk USAF CCT at Halo School?
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:44 PM   #62
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Hey T4 did you know a Derek Lisk USAF CCT at Halo School?
No Sir. Only two CCT guys worked there when I did and he wasn't one of them.

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Old 03-20-2013, 02:03 PM   #63
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Old 03-21-2013, 07:26 AM   #64
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I have been confused with almost every thread that I have looked at on the forums. That is why I will rely on the experts for my answers. It took 20 min at a seminar and a 5 min conversation afterwards with Andy T at an RV show to be sold on his expertise and knowledge. Please just call them and be reassured.
Wasn't Wally B an innovator, experimenter and inventor ? He figured out a way to get it done and then went and did it !!
Didn't they call him crazy ??
I emailed CanAm yesterday about our situation with the Santa Fe. Thought it best to explain in writing rather than bumble and babble around like I do sometimes. Haven't heard anything back as of yet. Our Sante Fe is AWD, which I failed to mention in the email. I don't know if that is a good or bad thing, or if it matters at all. I've gotta tell ya, I'm kinda scared to death. I wonder if we should just go with the '99 Suburban and a quality hitch set up ( oh Lord....that's another debate...) We had to tow it back from Virginia...slowly...without anything but the ball hitch, which I don't want to do again, but the little thing followed right behind with no problems...even with the barrage of semi's blasting by us on I-95, wind, and narrow construction routes on I-40. . I won't lie...we did have to have a cocktail when we finally arrived home.
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Search out the experts in the field for anything that you do and you will have the peace of mind that you will need. There are too many experts out there that do not know all of the facts, nor have the experience and or the expertise. Be patient for the reply. It will be well worth it. Then and only then will you tow with the confidence that you need.
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I don't know which path you will chose but you are taking the right steps to improve your towing experience, which will make your Airstream experience much more enjoyable.
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I emailed CanAm yesterday about our situation with the Santa Fe. Thought it best to explain in writing rather than bumble and babble around like I do sometimes. I won't lie...we did have to have a cocktail when we finally arrived home.
Hang in there and be patient. The Can Am folks can help.

Our car is lighter than your Santa Fe and our 23' is much larger than your 16' Sport. The highway drive at 100kph, even with semi's passing is a one finger on the steering wheel experience.
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Just caught up with happenings here.... home renovations can be tiresome, eh?

Just to summarize,

1. No State or Province specifies manufacturers' tow ratings in it's towing regulations for RVs. GVWR, GAWR and tires yes, but not the tow rating.

2. Can-Am RV is no fly-by-night business knocking out poor hitches to unsuspecting trailer folk. Airstream and many in the automobile industry think Andy Thompson knows his stuff and he's advised many businesses as well as sitting on the advisory panel for the new SAE towing ratings. If that isn't good enough for you then nothing is.

3. If Can-Am says the Santa Fe will tow then that trumps any opinion heard here.

4. Horrible stuff for T4 and his flip over and can well see why bigger may appear more attractive. Doug is right, though, well set up with good suspension and low CoG will work. Just a thought, but how heavy is the tractor on a semi compared to it's fully laden trailer? I know the hitch system is different but the weight differential must be enormous.

5. Finally, anyone anticipating using something other than a truck to pull an Airstream, you lose nothing by seeing what the good folks at Can-Am have to say. They may not persuade you but you'll at least get the alternate view.
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Thanks everybody for your advice, and encouragement. We have a trip coming up this Sat, so I needed to get the towing dilemma settled. I didn't hear back from CamAm, so we went to the RV dealer here, Tom Johnson Camping Center.

After reading all the posts here, plus other threads here on the same topic, I decided to go with the Suburban. I think you'll agree that there are MANY opinions on the subject, and I'm just too new to comfortably make the call on the Santa Fe. I found out the hitch I had put on when I bought the car is a class II. (after talking with Hyundai). I did take it to Tom Johnson and have them take a look. Their opinion was the WD hitches were too heavy for our Bambi 16, based on what they had. They recommend the basic Reese sway bar, and adding the transmission coolant. I would need to replace my class II hitch with class III.

Knowing that the Surburban is definitely capable, and the class III hitch is already there from our previous 28 ft Alumalite, we decided to go with it.

So here goes...I'm holding on to my hat!...The recommendation was the same. Based on the trailer wt, the Surburban capabilities etc, they installed the Reese sway bar, no WD.

Because the Suburban is old, we're shopping around for a new tow vehicle. (Jeep Grand Cherokee, diesel??) Depending on what we end up with, the lighter WD hitch is still our choice, based on what I've read here.

So, there it is...hit me!
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Just a thought, but how heavy is the tractor on a semi compared to it's fully laden trailer? I know the hitch system is different but the weight differential must be enormous.
When I drove a big truck 20 some years ago, the empty truck and trailer weighed #30,000. The truck around #20,000. The max gross weight was #80,000, so the truck was 25% of the fully loaded combination.
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