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Old 12-20-2014, 05:12 PM   #43
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One other question regarding the Blue Ox. If I go that direction will the clamp on version work with the 19 foot Flying Cloud or would I have to use the bolt on?

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Old 12-20-2014, 07:21 PM   #44
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I think most people agree that PPP hitches provide the best sway control. What is very off putting is a few PPP owners trying to promote their preferred hitch by bashing other hitches (even though hundreds of thousands of people are happily using them). To a neutral newbie (like myself) this attitude is very unappealing.

Also, I find it unbelievable that some experienced folks use the marketing language of their product as a proven fact and repeat it without any qualifiers. Like, "sway elimination". Guess what, a hitch, like any other physical product, will operate as advertised within a range. Go outside that range, and it will not operate as advertised. If the forces of sway exceed the forces preventing it, sway WILL happen. That's just the laws of physics.

Having a steep price, massive weight, and difficulty hitching on uneven surfaces may not be an issue for YOU, but could be a deal breaker for others. Every great product (PPP hitches included) have drawbacks. Stop acting as if you have a product with no drawbacks -- No such product exists.
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Old 12-20-2014, 07:41 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by cajohnson View Post
One other question regarding the Blue Ox. If I go that direction will the clamp on version work with the 19 foot Flying Cloud or would I have to use the bolt on?

You'll be better off with this question in a thread on that hitch or in one concerned with that model trailer.
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Old 12-20-2014, 07:44 PM   #46
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Hitching and unhitching is very fast and the head of the BO can't weigh that much more than the stinger of a PPP style hitch.

The clamp on should work, I don't think AS uses different tongues on different models.
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Old 12-20-2014, 09:17 PM   #47
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How about the Hensley Swiftcub?

I cant say how well any other style hitch works, but the full size Hensley works darn well.

I will save the drama and not mention how fast I was towing today, with confidence, with no sway at all.

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Old 12-20-2014, 10:15 PM   #48
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I won't mention the speeds I was going across Texas ( 4 trips across) until i looked at the speedo and decided we were cooking along faster than my comfort zone.

The PP and the AS were perfectly happy at that speed. Note that at no point were my knuckles white--as opposed to my shorter slower trips with a Husky WD only setup. Same trailer same TV.

I'm happy with the choice I made. The rest of it is opinion. I'm sticking with my PP.

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Old 12-29-2014, 11:59 AM   #49
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Old 11-22-2015, 04:22 PM   #50
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Well...It's been a year since my first post and we've wrapped up our first season. First of all, thanks to everyone who helped out with information. It was all consumed and it was all considered. Here are my thoughts after maybe 8 or 9-thousand miles of towing this summer.

First the tow vehicle. 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee, 8 cylinder gas Hemi. Very happy with the choice. Averaged about 14.5 - 15 mpg on the interstate doing about 65. After a couple of Lance Campers I can live with that. Some suggested the wheel base was a little short. I personally experienced zero problems with it. Get the backup camera.

The hitch. I ended up with the Blue Ox. Again, thanks everyone who weighed in. I can't prove the negative so I don't know if I would have sworn by the Hensley had I bought one. What I can tell you is that hitching up, particularly with the back-up camera, is very easy. Even without my wife helping it's a five minute job. Maybe ten. You get the idea. Once you have the system down it's very simple, relatively quick and very secure.

The longest trip of the summer was from Missoula, Montana to Austin, Texas to Minneapolis, Minnesota, to Missoula. Right around 56-hundred miles. We encountered torrential rains, winds of maybe 25-30 mph, dust storms, curvy mountain roads through the Ozarks and the Blue Ox was great. That's not to say there weren't times I was more than aware that I was towing a trailer in less than ideal conditions but I never felt I was out of control or over my head. Again, I tend not to travel over 65 mph. If you regularly do, my experience may be different from yours. I don't know what to tell you about that.

Love the Flying Cloud. A few little things to have the dealer fix this winter but all in all such high build quality as compared to the Lance Campers.

Again...Thanks for all your input and safe travels.
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Old 11-23-2015, 03:13 PM   #51
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Congratulations on your trip. When you have some time, you might detail your BOSP driving experiences on the BO thread. It seems to be a good solution for some applications and your experience might help identify the strengths and weaknesses that would help potential customers evaluate the system for their application.

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