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Old 01-01-2015, 05:21 PM   #15
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Hello - I'm new to this forum business, so please bear with me as I launch my ship into uncharted waters.

As the title suggests, I am looking for hitch recommendations for towing our new 2015 25RB behind my 2012 BMW X5d.
Get ready for lots of recommendations that have nothing to do with the selection of a hitch for your X5. I had an X5, and now have an X3. Both tow very well. Great choice. You may want to expand your question to not only gasoline X5s (which tow exactly the same for all X5s built from 2004 onwards) but also Touaregs, Cayennes, and Mercs. All will handle a standard 3500 kg tow load pretty similarly, and would give you additional data points.


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The 25FB is WAY TOO MUCH trailer for your BMW.

Please think about the bus-load filled with orphans following behind you before you embark on any trip with this setup. We want them to make it home safely just as much as we want you to.
Only post four, and already we have a bus load of orphans


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And I ask, "But can you STOP it?"
In your case, trailer brakes or not, your best bet is to not even bring that vehicle with you when you pick up your shiny new AS.
Your GM/Chev 2500 (if it is a diesel, as I assume it is) takes 32 feet more to stop from 60 mph than a 2012 X5d. That is most of a school bus length. Hopefully the school bus you are following in this scenario isn't full of orphans. So with better performing brakes than a 3/4 ton pickup, the future for towing with an X5 is bright.


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Numbers don't lie. Hitch reinforcement will not magically increase the tow rating of your vehicle, nor does using a top of the line hitch.
The X5 6000 lb rating in North America is due to the rating of the BMWNA-marketed hitch. BMW sells other designs of hitches in other markets, using the same vehicle attachment points, and all rated 7700 lbs, on the exact same vehicle. Same cooling, same axles, and so on. Even did the part number search to confirm it. Same rating even for the same vehicle equipped with lower power engines not available in North America. Agreed, numbers don't lie.


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In the big truck world ' it takes iron to move iron' I wouldn't do it, one big cross wind from a truck , you might be in the ditch upside down...
Fortunately, an X5, with its lower CoG, increased roll stability, more precise steering, better brakes, and stiffer chassis, is far less likely to be in that ditch upside down than a heavy duty pickup, which many consider a very suitable tow vehicle.

Off topic: Coming from the Caterpillar world, big iron had a whole different meaning. Big trucks started at 100 ton capacity. On Highway trucks were like pickups. Anything from a D4 down was referred to as "the lawn and garden division" Boy, are we a long ways away from an X5 now

Back on topic.

Rod, there are a few threads with E70 models towing late model 25 and 27 foot Airstreams. I saw one using an Equalizer. I still like the PPP, and would probably go Propride. We are considering an F15 X5 (likely a 35i) with a 27FC. Good luck in whatever you choose.

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The X5 6000 lb rating in North America is due to the rating of the BMWNA-marketed hitch. BMW sells other designs of hitches in other markets, using the same vehicle attachment points, and all rated 7700 lbs, on the exact same vehicle.
Yep, the X5 hitch in Europe is rated at 7700#. Jeff forgot to mention the tongue weight limit though: a hefty 264# (or 120 KG). Euro specification are meaningless unless you are in Europe, and plan to tow a Euro spec'ed trailer in European roads.
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I looked up that BMW ,what I found was 6000 lbs Max , a mid sized luxury crossover suv. My wife has a toyota venza crossover, just a car....with all wheel drive....Iwill stay with my diesel pickup with a 17000 lbs towing capacity.....and it is very stable..
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Yep, the X5 hitch in Europe is rated at 7700#. Jeff forgot to mention the tongue weight limit though: a hefty 264# (or 120 KG). Euro specification are meaningless unless you are in Europe, and plan to tow a Euro spec'ed trailer in European roads.
Didn't forget. The point being made was the vehicle rating, not the hitch rating. The vehicle tow rating is relevant to comments about the X5 platform being unable to pull a given load. Reinforcing the hitch can change the effective tow rating of this particular vehicle, although not to the manufacturer. It doesn't change the axle load limits, which is what I think you are getting at. The 1400 lb vehicle load limit stays the same.

If someone is concerned about TV brakes, consider others towing up to 7700 lbs in the Swiss alps with the TV manufacturer's blessing. If someone is concerned about overheating, consider towing up to 7700 lbs through Africa. But then, those of us who have towed with X3s and X5s haven't had issues with brakes or overheating.
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Hey rod howz it go'n for 'ya?

Big help eh.

I still don't know how I ever made it thru 18yrs of Stream'n, being how ignorant I was back then and how stubborn I am now.

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Here's a video by someone who pulls their 30 ft A/S with a Mercedes GL 350 diesel (something like that). And of course, a Hensley.

Don't know how the Benz compares to the Beemer, towing wise.

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Here's a video by someone who pulls their 30 ft A/S with a Mercedes GL 350 diesel (something like that). And of course, a Hensley.

Don't know how the Benz compares to the Beemer, towing wise.
The X5 and GL 350 are very similar. History has proven they are outstanding TV's for Airstreams. I also suggest to the poster to connect back with Can Am for the pro advice on hook up info.
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To bring this thread back to its original question:

We tow our 34” International with a Hensley hitch and would not choose anything else ever again - except perhaps the competition, that works along the same lines.

There is no sway, even under the most challenging of circumstances; rain, crosswinds, semis. The Hensely eliminates sway completely, 100%.

As far as the capabilities of your tow vehicle are concerned, most likely you will know already that your BMW is a far safer, far more capable vehicle than many of the heavy trucks some people insist should be used for towing.
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And I ask, "But can you STOP it?"
In your case, trailer brakes or not, your best bet is to not even bring that vehicle with you when you pick up your shiny new AS.
It cannot be said often enough that the above is simply not the case.

Every single heavy truck on the market will take longer to come to a stop than the BMW in question. That's simply a matter of physics and adding a trailer does not change that.

Adding a trailer does not magically improve the stopping ability of a truck, neither does it magically decrease the stopping ability of the BMW. They stay the same, assuming the rig has been properly set up - ideally they will both decrease ever so slightly.

With or without trailer, the BMW will come to a stop sooner, from any speed.
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There is no sway, even under the most challenging of circumstances; rain, crosswinds, semis. The Hensely eliminates sway completely, 100%.
Hi, I have heard, or read, this statement so many times that it makes me sick. How do you, or anyone, else know that it "eliminates sway completely" if your set-up never swayed???????? You have to have ants before you eliminate them. You have to have sway to eliminate it. To eliminate something, you have to have it first. Ten years, and who knows how many tens of thousands of miles, in conditions where most people would stay home, and I haven't had any sway either.*** Is it my hitch, my tow vehicle, my Safari, my whole set-up, or my driver ability?



*** Correction: "In the ten years that I have owned my trailer, it has only once, swayed violently out of control; It was parked in my driveway during a 5.0 Earthquake."

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Thank everyone for the thought provoking commentary. I truly appreciate your insight, and suggestions.

Notwithstanding the orphan issue, I’m just curious to learn what kind of hitch others with similar vehicles are using when pulling their 25 foot Airstreams behind their German SUVs. Obviously, my initial question was somewhat poorly stated. My bust.

I’m no expert at any of this, and would like to move up to towing the larger trailer in such a way that I am able to tow it comfortably. The Eaz-Lift with 1000 bars and two Husky sway controls is one approach, ProPride is another oft-mentioned option. Reese SC seems to fit between those two. While cost is a factor, safety and control are far greater considerations.

Thanks again! This has been a most interesting way to start the New Year.

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Your BMW might make sense for a 19' trailer, but it will never make sense for a 25' unit. Please think about the bus-load filled with orphans following behind you before you embark on any trip with this setup. We want them to make it home safely just as much as we want you to.
An opinion based, no doubt, on many thousands of miles experience towing a 25' Airstream with a Can-Am prepared BMW X5D. I've read it here so it must be true. *sigh*

For what it's worth, Rod, we tow our 2011 28' International with a Can-Am prepared Toyota Sienna minivan and one of Andy's favoured Eaz-Lift setups that you've already used. It works pretty well for us, and sway has never been an issue, but if I were going to upgrade then I'd opt for the Hensley as others have said.

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"Hi, I have heard, or read, this statement so many times that it makes me sick."

Bob,

Your font indicates you were really sick. I hope your feeling better.

I have never experienced Hitchitis with the haha on the Classic, but the Reese straight line was a bit wretching at times.
The enlightening thing is I didn't even know I was 'sick' until the haha was installed....umm, interesting.

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This is not the best place to ask for towing opinions, it's always the same set of warnings and bets with little or no experience towing a medium-sized Airstream with a BMW X5.
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An opinion based, no doubt, on many thousands of miles experience towing a 25' Airstream with a Can-Am prepared BMW X5D. I've read it here so it must be true. *sigh*
No one needs any towing experience to determine that this is a dangerous combination. There isn't enough fairy dust in this world to make this combo safe. A simple application of the skills that we all should have learned in 4th grade mathematics is all that is needed. SIGH!

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...with a ProPride hitch; the ProPride/Hensley design projects those big cross winds to the rear axle where they are stabilized, does not leverage them to the front steering axle.

No other bumper-pull hitch does that
Funny. My bumper hitch stops sway too. Well not with all of that fancy marketing bull about imaginary projections, but with all of that fancy real-world stuff like it just works. Their is no sway with my Equalizer. It doesn't stop it after it starts. It prevents it from happening in the first place. I think we need a thread who's only contributors are people with more than a few semesters of college physics who can discuss this, and bring it to it's logical conclusion. My understanding of the way the world works does not make the Hensley/PP any safer. In fact in the case of small, light-weight tow vehicles I believe that the Hensley/PP systems are more dangerous than competing designs.

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Your GM/Chev 2500 (if it is a diesel, as I assume it is) takes 32 feet more to stop from 60 mph than a 2012 X5d. That is most of a school bus length. Hopefully the school bus you are following in this scenario isn't full of orphans. So with better performing brakes than a 3/4 ton pickup, the future for towing with an X5 is bright.
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Every single heavy truck on the market will take longer to come to a stop than the BMW in question. That's simply a matter of physics and adding a trailer does not change that.

Adding a trailer does not magically improve the stopping ability of a truck, neither does it magically decrease the stopping ability of the BMW. They stay the same, assuming the rig has been properly set up - ideally they will both decrease ever so slightly.

With or without trailer, the BMW will come to a stop sooner, from any speed.
I think that you guys might have been sleeping that day in your physics class. Uuless the trailer's brakes are able to fully brake the trailer on their own, additional braking burden will be placed on the tow-vehicle's braking system. This will increase overall braking distances for the combination. Nobody has their brakes optimized for every condition., I would go so far as to say no one has their brakes optimized for any condition.

Once you ask the tow vehicle to start taking up the slack, you're going to increase stopping distances. Strapping a trailer to a TV will almost always require more braking distance than the TV alone. It is time to stop the rumor that a well set-up rig will decrease stopping distances, because no one's rig is set-up that well. If the BMW's brakes are overburdened enough, the BMW will take longer to stop then a GM truck whose brakes aren't overburdened. THAT is simply a matter of physics.

Peace out.
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