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Old 04-27-2011, 11:28 PM   #57
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Hi, the day that I picked up my new trailer, I thought that I had everything needed. At the first campground, I found out that the ten foot sewer hose was too short for use almost anywhere. But before that, I was backing into my first back-in space and couldn't see either side of my trailer. I had to be blindly guided in. The next day I bought some CIPA slip-ons. That is all they make for my Lincoln and I wish they were wider. Without those extension mirrors, making safe lane changes would be next to impossible. You really need to see the sides of your trailer. I think you should feel lucky that you got a ticket for towing without proper mirrors instead of explaining, how you and your trailer changed lanes, ran some one that you didn't, and couldn't see, off of the road causing damage or death to some Innocent person or persons. Note: your ticket cost more than my extension mirrors cost.
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Old 04-27-2011, 11:53 PM   #58
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Rich,
You and I have discussed the GX470 as a TV in prev. posts. We agree it works well, but I wouldn't think of towing without extended mirrors.
I'd say pay the tkt and figure that's cheap education.
Am still looking for the "perfect" mirror and ordered a set of Milenco Aero's.
Will post about how they work.
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PS: I always notice that semi tractors have extended mirrors!
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McKesh with the optional convex spots.... My wife gives me a hard time about all the mirrors on the truck, but I still like the safety margin it gives me!
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Old 04-28-2011, 12:34 AM   #60
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One can not have too many mirrors... extended:

Convex mirrors for the ford superduty!

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Old 04-28-2011, 12:56 AM   #61
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Yep Bob you're right, wish the Airstream dealer I bought the 06 Safari from would have brought up the point when they set up the Reece hitch. You spend the bucks on a new trailer what's the diff in spending more on mirrors. Didn't start this thread just to rant but to get an education on what the law says, what's safe and what the best solution is for a SUV. Hopefully a few other people out there can learn from my bad.
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Old 04-28-2011, 07:52 AM   #62
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I've been towing for 40 years and have to agree with AirHog -- most add on mirrors are more of a distraction because of the vibration. I've towed thousands of miles with no extended mirrors but, I know I should have them for better vision. So, before leaving Florida to return north I bought two K Source 3891 clip on mirrors. They work great and have minimal vibration. Highly recommend these mirrors. About $20 each on Amazon.
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Old 04-28-2011, 08:33 AM   #63
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Sorry to hear about the ticket But it might be for the best as it will mean you will be getting some mirrors. I would not leave home without extended side mirrors when towing. There have been many times having them has saved me from changing lanes as a fast moving vehicle is overtaking me. You can not be a safe driver if not able to see what is approaching you from the rear and at what speed.
I have tried several different ones and like the K Source 3891 the best. The only bad thing about them, is if traveling at say about 70 mph, you will sometimes have one of the mirrors blow in from a truck going by! This is if you have the type of mirrors that fold in, like I have. This is not good and you have to slow way down to get them to go back out. The size of these puts a lot of air pressure on them when traveling. I fixed this by getting some straps that go from under the hood to the mirrors that now hold them secure so there is no chance of them getting blown in. What I really like about them compared to the McKesh ones is that I can fold them in when coming up to a key pad for unlocking a gate or just to park the vehicle.
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Old 04-28-2011, 09:44 AM   #64
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316.294 Mirrors.

Every vehicle, operated singly or when towing any other vehicle, shall be equipped with a mirror so located as to reflect to the driver a view of the highway for a distance of at least 200 feet to the rear of the motor vehicle. A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a nonmoving violation as provided in chapter 318.
I boldfaced the part that is ambiguous to me.

This is an example of writing something when you know what you want to say but aren't sure how to say it. It could be interpreted to say you have to see the 200' immediately behind the rear of the tow vehicle. Common sense is that would be impossible, but common sense isn't always engaged. Statutes aren't always drafted in the best form and attempts to get as much as possible into one sentence often result in dense, incomprehensible sentences. Ask yourself whether you would understand that sentence if you didn't know what it was supposed to mean.

Also, regardless of the length of the trailer, the 200' is counted from the rear of the tow vehicle. 200' used to be considered 10 car lengths, though cars are shorter now.

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Question How does the law explain this?

A modern Airstream is 8 feet 5 inches wide.

The maximum vehicle width in most states is 8' 6 inches.

If your mirror sticks out farther from the TV than your trailer is wide, do you need need an oversize vehicle permit?

It would seem so, since the TV is going to be well over 8' 6" wide.

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Another thought:

Why do you need to see behind when you are going forward?

You have the right of way over anything directly behind you.
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Old 04-28-2011, 10:03 AM   #66
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Thanks AW for actually posting the official law, which does state the 200' rule and the non-moving violation that I was told. The Lexus mirrors are the same as the Sequoia. Pretty large motorized. I can see my wife at the back of the trailer when backing into a camp site. The officer in question must have caught me at a stop light from the cross street. When I saw him (in the mirrors) he wanted me to pull over to the left lane but I pulled over to the shoulder on the right. Guess he didn't want to be on the street side so he had to talk to me through the wife's passenger window. We were driving slow as we were about 2 miles from the State Park after 980 miles. Went to Walmart that night and bought the $19 suction cup model that sticks on the Lexus mirror. Though it does extent the view it blocked the view of the Lexus mirror creating an even bigger blind spot. Didn't want to get another ticket but until further research didn't want to spend more money on a temp fix. Looks like the consensus is to get the McKesh ones. On another note don't think the officer in question wanted to debate the concept of being able to see the highway behind me. They just want their easy $116.
Here is the Texas Law.. its the same.
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§ 547.602. MIRRORS REQUIRED. A motor vehicle, including
a motor vehicle used to tow another vehicle, shall be equipped with
a mirror located to reflect to the operator a view of the highway
for a distance of at least 200 feet from the rear of the vehicle.

Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.

You are just under the speed limiting reduction length at 26' To tow legally in Texas I am restricted to 60 mph days 55 night. I don't and have never been stopped driving 70 with my Excella in 31 years now.
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Here is the Texas Law.. its the same.
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§ 547.602. MIRRORS REQUIRED. A motor vehicle, including
a motor vehicle used to tow another vehicle, shall be equipped with
a mirror located to reflect to the operator a view of the highway
for a distance of at least 200 feet from the rear of the vehicle.

Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.

That is still pretty ambiguous. It leaves a lot to the discretion of the LEO. From this statute I need A MIRROR. I can see from my rear view mirror directly behind the trailer at least 200 ft. So I'm good, right? I don't need any "strap ons".
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In my opinion, in order for mirrors to be effective, they must be wider that the vehicle and the trailer being towed. I believe that one state uses the term "six inches wider than the towed vehicle". I use extension mirrors on the Lincoln but not the PowerWagon, since it has junior west coast mirrors.

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A modern Airstream is 8 feet 5 inches wide.

The maximum vehicle width in most states is 8' 6 inches.

If your mirror sticks out farther from the TV than your trailer is wide, do you need need an oversize vehicle permit?

It would seem so, since the TV is going to be well over 8' 6" wide.

Just a thought

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Another thought:

Why do you need to see behind when you are going forward?

You have the right of way over anything directly behind you.
My thought are NOT

Truck Tractors have a track of 8' and their mirrors stick out a good 6" wider than the trailer on each side. A mirror is also not considered a load, since its a part of the vehicle. Definitely want to stay off congested narrow city streets if at all possible..

I can think of a few. You are in the right lane going 70 someone is coming up behind you at say 80, (that happens a lot in Texas) you car closing in on someone if front of you going 60 and you look and decide to change lanes.. not knowing a car is behind you closing fast. He switches lanes and you start your move to change lanes and Hit him with the rear of your trailer. He in already in his lane.. whose fault is it going to be.. He beat you into that lane. You had just looked into your sub standard mirrors and he wasn't there but due to his speed he is now in your path. Its not as easy to probe speed in a lot of cases due to anti lock brakes don't leave much much rubber on the road. Will you have the good luck of samaritan to stop and wait for Law Enforcement to get there.
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That is still pretty ambiguous. It leaves a lot to the discretion of the LEO. From this statute I need A MIRROR. I can see from my rear view mirror directly behind the trailer at least 200 ft. So I'm good, right? I don't need any "strap ons".
Not sure but if you keep the curtains pined back and can prove you can and the important thing would be you see LEO back there and pull over I would think you would possibly be ok.

I think the reason for the ticket is the Micky Mouse case is they didn't know he was behind them tailing with lights flashing for two miles. Pissed the Officer off before he got them stopped and it was downhill from there.

I had a friend in the 60's that got a ticket in deep east Texas pulling his trailer over the speed limit. I think at the time the 30' trailers had to be under 55 mph. I sure hope my luck holds out because its a long ways from Houston to west Texas at 60 mph.
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