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Old 03-08-2015, 09:45 PM   #57
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Found this statement in my Airstream's Owners Manual in the towing section.

"When a trailer is properly hitched up to a tow vehicle with a load equalizing hitch, approximately 1/3 of the trailerís tongue weight will be on the trailerís axles and 2/3 will be transferred to the tow vehicle."

Hope this helps.
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Old 03-09-2015, 07:21 AM   #58
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Tongue weight

Well, I will get to the scales on my next outing....but first I may need to step outside and capture a few crows.... just to be prepared....LOL
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Old 03-10-2015, 11:33 AM   #59
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Well, another way to look at this question is that I believe a number of people pull a 25 foot trailer with your general type of vehicle without issue. I have a 2012 Ford F150 XLT ecoboost with 1660 lbs payload and a 2012 20 foot Flying Cloud trailer and am doing just fine here in the mountains of Colorado. I believe my tongue weight is roughly the same as yours... I use an Equal-i-zer weight distribution hitch.

Of course, some will say the particulars of your habits should be examined - how much stuff do you bring - do you travel heavy or light? And, those people are correct as well... I seem to travel light...

And, I wouldn't rely on that sales person.
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Old 03-18-2015, 01:43 AM   #60
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Last week I was at the Escapees' Escapade in Tucson AZ. One of the services they offer is called "Smartweigh", where they weigh the TV and trailer. The TV is first weighed solo but with all the stuff you normally carry in it (including a full tank of fuel). Then the TV and trailer are hitched, weight distribution tightened up and the TV and TT are weighed again. Weighing is done for each wheel, so you can see how much of the trailer's weight is shifted onto the TV. Here is the weigh sheet for my TV & AS (the AS had full fresh water, full wash water & full waste, as it was at the end of the rally).

http://www.vsquare.com/howard/photos...smartweigh.pdf

Some interesting data:
1 - AS front axle is carrying 4,300 lbs (rated 4,500 lbs)
2 - AS rear axle is carrying 4,450 lbs (rated 4,500 lbs)
3 - Each wheel of the TV is carrying 200 lbs more when hitched; thus the weight of the AS is distributed evenly.
4 - When hitched, the front axle of the TV is carrying 4,400 lbs (rated 4,410 lbs). This includes the massive steel bumper and winch (which weighs about 400 lbs).
5 - When hitched, the rear axle of the TV is carrying 4,000 lbs (rated at 6,084 lbs, meaning I can load another 2,000 lbs of cargo into the rear and still be within specs).

Anyone can get Smartweigh done at the two locations - the Escapee park at Congress AZ (just north-west of Phoenix), or the main Escapee park in Livingston TX. I believe the cost for this is $55.00.
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Old 03-18-2015, 07:31 AM   #61
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Question no base transfer weight ticket....

$55.00......

CAT.....$14.50..... you get three weights. TV alone(base), TV/AS w/o WD, TV/AS w/WD.

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Old 03-19-2015, 01:50 AM   #62
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Bob - What is WD?
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Old 03-19-2015, 05:17 AM   #63
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WD = weight distribution

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Old 03-20-2015, 02:08 AM   #64
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Bob - does Cat weigh each wheel or just the axle?

Not all AS owners know enough about the weighing of their rig - hence the Escapees' Smart Weigh also provides them with guidance as to how to balance their loads from side to side and front to back. I'd be surprised if 10% of all AS owners know what their GAWR, GVWR, GCWR are for both their AS & TV and how to interpret the results of the weights.

I happened to attend the Escapade in Goshen IN and win the Smart Weigh as a door prize. I waited to do the actual weights because I knew I was going to upgrade all my running gear. Having done the upgrade in July, when I was at the Escapade in Tucson 2 weeks ago, I had them do the weighing.

BTW, I can't see the utility of TV/AS w/o WD. You would never tow that way.
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"BTW, I can't see the utility of TV/AS w/o WD. You would never tow that way."
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CAT weighs the axles.

Separate wheel loading has little to do with WD set-up, more important for tire loading & longevity.
Streetside of our Classic is heavier, not much I can do about that, except pay attention when loading the 'stuff'.
Tire loading side to side is what it is, front to rear is dependent on hitch height.

There is no 'utility' to the TV/AS w/o WD weight....it's a guide so you will know how much weight has been taken off the steering axle when hitched.

Study these tickets, note the TV alone steering axle,(target), weight.
When WD is set correctly with the trailer level, it's that weight that is your goal.

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Old 04-13-2015, 01:49 PM   #66
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We are moving toward a new RVing setup. Trading 2011 HR Endeavor 43' Diesel Pusher for 2016 Airstream 30' Flying Cloud. Tow vehicle will be 2015 GMC Sierra Denali 2500HD truck with Duramax/Allison.

The 30' Flying Cloud has a dry weight with 2 AC units of around 6700# and a GVW of 8880#. I think the trailer tongue weight would be around 1,100# ?

The 2500HD Denali has a trailering capacity of 13,000# and a payload capacity of 2,793#.

Assuming 1100# tongue weight, that should leave us around 1600# of remaining payload capacity for myself, the wife, the dog, and some stuff in the bed of the truck (camp chairs, spare water, spare ammo, Honda i2000 generator.)

AS salesperson says we won't need to go with a high-cost WD hitch. He says we can save some money and some weight by going with a light-weight Andersen Anti-Sway/Anti-Bounce hitch (which does have a WD feature, as well.)

From what I'm reading here, it sounds like we need not be too concerned about the match up with the truck and 30' Airstream. Does the recommendation to go with the less costly (vs. Hensley), Andersen hitch seem reasonable?
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ound this statement in my Airstream's Owners Manual in the towing section.

""When a trailer is properly hitched up to a tow vehicle with a load equalizing hitch, approximately 1/3 of the trailer’s tongue weight will be on the trailer’s axles and 2/3 will be transferred to the tow vehicle."

Hope this helps."

No, that sure does not help me any. Maybe when they were towing them with 4 door sedans. But I have a very hard time just getting my front axle back to the unhitched weight. No way on my 2500 am I going to get 1/3 the hitch weight on the front. Now the reccomendation from the truck manf is to get the front height halfway restored. I did help set up my father in laws 1976 olds cutlass with a short Argosy and we did get the car to look about level so maybe the soft springs from the old days transfer weight better?
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I have a 2013 Chevy 2500 and tow a 27FB with a ProPride hitch for total tongue weight between 1000 and 1100 depending on when I've weighed it. According to all the manuals from Chevy for my truck (including the Diesel appendix), my configuration requires only 50% of what's lifted off the front to be returned to the front by the hitch. I know this because in my case, I think the front axle lost 500# or so when connected to the trailer and therefore only needed 250# to be transferred back. I got the wrong bars for my hitch (because I was smarter than Sean the manufacturer :-/ ) and had some trouble getting all 500# back to the front and with the help of Ron G and others here, realized that wasn't necessary with my setup.

From what I've read in the forums, 250# of WD is certainly doable with the Andersen. You'd have to check to be sure but I'm guessing that's the ball park you're in. People who use it tend to love it (though - come to think of it - people tend to love whatever they use :-) ).

If you want a light weight, easy to use, relatively inexpensive hitch, that Andersen could be ideal for your setup. While tedious, you should check out the threads about them and evaluate for yourself.

I've only ever used the ProPride (which I love - but not to the point of getting bent out of shape if you buy a different product :-) ).

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Yes, more time spent researching the feedback on the Andersen hitch is quite warranted. Thanks for your comments.



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I have a 2013 Chevy 2500 and tow a 27FB with a ProPride hitch for total tongue weight between 1000 and 1100 depending on when I've weighed it. According to all the manuals from Chevy for my truck (including the Diesel appendix), my configuration requires only 50% of what's lifted off the front to be returned to the front by the hitch. I know this because in my case, I think the front axle lost 500# or so when connected to the trailer and therefore only needed 250# to be transferred back. I got the wrong bars for my hitch (because I was smarter than Sean the manufacturer :-/ ) and had some trouble getting all 500# back to the front and with the help of Ron G and others here, realized that wasn't necessary with my setup.

From what I've read in the forums, 250# of WD is certainly doable with the Andersen. You'd have to check to be sure but I'm guessing that's the ball park you're in. People who use it tend to love it (though - come to think of it - people tend to love whatever they use :-) ).

If you want a light weight, easy to use, relatively inexpensive hitch, that Andersen could be ideal for your setup. While tedious, you should check out the threads about them and evaluate for yourself.

I've only ever used the ProPride (which I love - but not to the point of getting bent out of shape if you buy a different product :-) ).

Good luck!!
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50% FALR has been rebutted. Some OEMs may call for it, but that doesn't make it best.

A truck may not easily be set at 100% FALR, but that is likely the weak OEM or aftermarket hitch receiver if the bars are the correct rating and the rest of the hitch adjustments are correct.
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