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Old 03-03-2015, 09:16 PM   #29
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Old 03-03-2015, 09:34 PM   #30
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"@Al and Missy, I totally get that the yellow (lower) sticker is the key, based on the options installed during build and a full tank of gas. The ProPride itself weighs 195# according to Sean at ProPride, but what I don't know is the transfer to the truck and trailer."

How much weight gets transferred is setup dependent. The only way to get an exact number is to do as others have suggested and weigh your setup. If you don't have a setup to weigh, you'll have to do some estimating as I and others have suggested. For my setup (F-150, 6300# GVWR 25' Safari) the Equalizer transfers about 150# from the TV to the TT. IF you use a number in that vicinity, you should be close.

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Old 03-03-2015, 10:25 PM   #31
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So if I'm starting with 1630# payload, subtract 835# for the tongue weight and 195# for the 3P hitch, I have 600# left for passengers and gear, correct?
Yes, you need to account for the expected weight of the WDH.

If you adjust the WDH to restore the TV's front axle to its unhitched load,
a load equal to about 20-25% of the tongue weight would be transferred to the TT's axle(s).

This mean that the TT-induced vertical load added to the TV would be equal to about 75-80% of the tongue weight.

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Old 03-03-2015, 11:31 PM   #32
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Old 03-04-2015, 12:05 AM   #33
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This site has very informative Towing Guides for each vehicle model year, with explanations of all of the different weight ratings:
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Old 03-04-2015, 04:04 AM   #34
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A thought..... Tongue weight, all of it is part of the TV load. None of the tongue weight is carried by the trailer wheels. If one measures tongue weight, unhitched and weight on wheels unhitched, then hitches up, reweighs, the trailer weighs the same. Weight distribution hitches simply move weight from the rear to the front of the TV.

And, Mr Cross, your tires in the photo appear to be nearly 10 years old......approaching the limit, as I understand it, on life span.

If I am incorrect in my opinion, please correct me.

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Old 03-04-2015, 04:12 AM   #35
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Forgive me: Does tongue weight count against payload?

@ marter......about 600 lbs. for you and your gear


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Old 03-04-2015, 06:31 AM   #36
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A thought..... Tongue weight, all of it is part of the TV load. None of the tongue weight is carried by the trailer wheels. If one measures tongue weight, unhitched and weight on wheels unhitched, then hitches up, reweighs, the trailer weighs the same. Weight distribution hitches simply move weight from the rear to the front of the TV.

And, Mr Cross, your tires in the photo appear to be nearly 10 years old......approaching the limit, as I understand it, on life span.

If I am incorrect in my opinion, please correct me.

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No the weight on the trailers axle/axles is not the same hitched and unhitched with WD set properly.


TW only remains stationary when/if your towing without WD.
When set properly the TW is divided between the TV frt axle, TV r/axle and trailer axle/axles.

Note trailer weight on the 2nd & 3rd CAT tickets.

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On another note...

Yes, my TV tires are even older now, as that photo was taken several years ago.
But the Burb is a garaged TV not a DD, and I do replace when necessary, or when the ware bars are exposed, regardless of age.


POI...I also have a 63yr old Ford with 15yr old tires.


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Old 03-04-2015, 07:25 AM   #37
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Been through this many times personally. Finally in my old age gave up, bought an F350 Diesel and simply don't care about hitch weight, weight distribution or weight of the AS. Not everyone can or wants to do what we did, but it works for us. Now going to add a 50 gallon fuel tank because in Fords attempt to control weight for the Feds they only offer a 26 gallon tank.
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Tongue weight is a constant and you should not subtract any WD weight transfer.


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Exactly....TW is only relevant when the trailer is un-hitched.

TW becomes hitch and or receiver loading when WD enters the equation.

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wt. question

I have been reading all this and I'm getting dizzy ha. I've been to the scales fully loaded the truck alone wt 7480 loaned. The gross wt of TV and the AS was
13700. AS axle wt 5160. tongue wt looks like 1060. With a gross wt of 6300 on the AS tag it appears I'm within 80 lbs of max. Is that correct? If I tighten the hitch WD bars will that increase the amount I can carry in the camper? Thanks Rand
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---If one measures tongue weight, unhitched and weight on wheels unhitched, then hitches up, reweighs, the trailer weighs the same. Weight distribution hitches simply move weight from the rear to the front of the TV.
Do you have weight tickets to substantiate this claim?

If so, can you please post photos of the tickets or post the numbers?

If the TT has independent axles and is in a nose-down attitude when the "no WD applied" measurements are made, a measurement error can be introduced which makes it appear that no load is transferred to the TT's axles when WD is applied and the nose is raised.

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Do you have weight tickets to substantiate this claim?

If so, can you please post photos of the tickets or post the numbers?

If the TT has independent axles and is in a nose-down attitude when the "no WD applied" measurements are made, a measurement error can be introduced which makes it appear that no load is transferred to the TT's axles when WD is applied and the nose is raised.

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The assumption is that under all weighing conditions the trailer is level. While there is a small lever moment exerted by the trailing arms of a weight distribution hitch, it is quite small, and the lever length is also small in relationship to the distance from the wheels to the receiver at the front of the trailer.

My point is in terms of what I think the OP was concerned about, that of actually trying to not overload the TV. And, my contention is that a weight distributing hitch will not make any sizable difference in relieving the TV of tongue weight, thus increasing its payload capacity for passengers and cargo.

And, the next time I am crossing the scales, I will make every attempt to do a weigh in with and without the weight distribution bars under tension. At the CAT scales, the first fee is about $12.00 and re-weighs at $2.00 each. So, multiple passes are possible.
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