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Old 03-03-2015, 10:43 AM   #15
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Well the sticker tells you not to exceed 1,630 lbs of load. Gas is 6.3 lbs per gallon. I've read in other forums that the Propride weighs in at about 80 lbs. The unknown on my end is the amount of weight that the Propride will distribute to your tow vehicle. There's a lot of geometry here which depends on how your truck is sprung, and how much force needs to be applied to keep your truck and trailer level when you hitch up. If you use an assumption that 50% of the hitch weight will be transferred to the truck then add another 417 lbs or so to the load. Add up all those weights and subtract from 1,630. That will give you a ball park number to work from. My only concern is that my hitch weight transfer load might be a little high, but you really need scales to see the effect of weight distribution.

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Old 03-03-2015, 11:14 AM   #16
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We'll try again...

This is where we are hitched up ready to go....
GAWR FRT 4180 CAT wt 3640=540lbs of axle load remaining.
GAWR R 5500 CAT wt 4680=820lbs of axle load remaining.

1st ticket TV alone loaded for camping....

2nd hitched no WD, 3rd with WD set.....

Notice I have 1080lbs of actual receiver weight with WD set.

TV and trailer level with WD set, receiver, TV tire and axle loads all Okay.

IIWY...I'd weigh the truck loaded for camping and see how much weight you have available. (GAWR)
Ck the max load rating for your P rated TV tires.

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Old 03-03-2015, 12:51 PM   #17
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Thanks guys.

I just spoke with Sean at ProPride and he said his hitch weighs 195#, about 100# more than a standard hitch.

My understanding of the sticker assumes a full tank of gas, in this case 36 Gal, but no driver.

So if I'm starting with 1630# payload, subtract 835# for the tongue weight and 195# for the 3P hitch, I have 600# left for passengers and gear, correct?
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Old 03-03-2015, 01:32 PM   #18
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Thanks guys.

I just spoke with Sean at ProPride and he said his hitch weighs 195#, about 100# more than a standard hitch.

My understanding of the sticker assumes a full tank of gas, in this case 36 Gal, but no driver.

So if I'm starting with 1630# payload, subtract 835# for the tongue weight and 195# for the 3P hitch, I have 600# left for passengers and gear, correct?
No. You should in most cases have more since the ProPride is a weight distributing hitch. Some of that 835 lbs. will be carried by the trailer. The extent can only be measured by a scale.

You have to consider the weight distribution hitch is akin to a wheel barrow. When you lift the handles, some of that weight is transferred to the front wheel and some is transferred to your legs.

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Interesting. I assumed tongue weight is what it is, and the "distribution" was to the front axle of the tow vehicle.
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Old 03-03-2015, 02:23 PM   #20
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This is a little complex, however, it will give you the info you need and lead you directly to actual possible tow vehicles:

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The key is the lower label. 1630# for occupants and cargo. I don't know what the weight of the Pro-pride hitch is, but my equalizer with the trailer attached adds 760# to my truck. I think your trailer GVW is around 7300# which is 1000# heavier than mine. Assuming a 15% factor for the tongue would add 150# over my numbers and the Propride is probably heavier than my Equal-izer. That would estimate your trailer's impact on your payload as 760+150+ the hitch difference. Guessing about 20# added for the Pro-pride, that comes to about 930# and leaves 700# for occupants and cargo. Subtract your and your wife's weight and the result is what is left for other stuff in the truck. Fuel is accounted for already so you don't have to count that.
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Airstream literature tongue weights are notoriously low. My 27FB is rated by Airstream at 770 lbs, but is actually 900 lbs per a real life scale. To be safer, I'd assume a tongue weight for your trailer to be closer to 1,000 lbs, especially when loaded for camping.

The weight distribution hitch will take some payload off the tow vehicle, but not a lot. Less if you buy lightweight bars. You'll only know how much by weighing at a scale. I think mine took less than 100 lbs off.

Bottom line: The truck you are looking at is probably adequate for the job as long as you don't put plan to carry lot of other stuff in the bed. Also, this topic is something you can over think. Better to hitch up and go camping.
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Read the owners manual. On my Tundra you do not deduct the weight of the fuel or the driver (200#) from the load carrying capacity of the truck. It is figured in.


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This site is so incredibly valuable. I love the InterWebz....where else could I get this kind of knowledge. Filtering required, however.

@Howard, thanks for the link; great information. I'm aware of, and have been using the Towing Guide but without seeing the yellow sticker on the door jamb I'm not able to see what that actual vehicle is rated for. I think dealers have access to a website with that yellow sticker; anyone have that link?

@Al and Missy, I totally get that the yellow (lower) sticker is the key, based on the options installed during build and a full tank of gas. The ProPride itself weighs 195# according to Sean at ProPride, but what I don't know is the transfer to the truck and trailer.

@kscherzi, good information to know; I assumed.... ;-)
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[QUOTE=TG Twinkie;1588622]Read the owners manual. On my Tundra you do not deduct the weight of the fuel or the driver (200#) from the load carrying capacity of the truck. It is figured in.

@TG Twinkie (and fellow Nebraskan) I have studied the Owner's manual (remember I'm still figuring out what to buy) but that document tends (IMO) to add to the confusion vs. clarification. But I'm fairly certain that the Payload rating on the door jamb sticker includes a full tank of gas and no driver, whereas the GVWR includes a driver weighing 150#.
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I have studied the Owner's manual ....I'm fairly certain that the Payload rating on the door jamb sticker includes a full tank of gas and no driver, whereas the GVWR includes a driver weighing 150#.
I have studied the Ford fine print as well, as that is exactly my interpretation. I would add that when they go on to discuss the GCWR for maximum towing capacity calculations, they reference two 150 lb persons, a driver and a passenger.

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I'm in the same quandary with a new FC 27. On '14 or earlier F-150s with crew cab, large fuel tank and lariat or higher trim, the most cargo capacity you're gonna see is 1730 lbs and that's with the max payload and max trailer tow package. That package was not available on King Ranch, Platinum or Limited models. The other relevant number is GCVWR (gross combined vehicle weight rating) which adds the GVWR of your truck to that of your trailer. That's never going to be an issue with your trailer and truck. Cargo capacity is. Someone posted some scale weighing a here that showed a WD hitch moves about 200 lbs of tongue weight back to the trailer. The main reason to use a WD hitch is to move some of the tongue weight off the rear axle and on to the front. This avoids overloading the rear axle and suspension and keeps the headlights from pointing at the sky. Based on months and months of searching I will tell that, other than a 3/4 ton, your choices in crew cab pickups are a pre 2015 Ford with max trailer tow and max payload package, a 2015 Ford without the max payload package and either the 3.5 Ecoboost or 5 liter V-8 (if you get the XLT package with no sunroof, no skid plates and the standard gas tank, you'll be good for 1800 lbs) or else the max payload package which will give you over 2,000 lbs even with the Lariat and the 36 gallon fuel tank. You will not be able to order a sunroof with that package. The cargo capacity given by the door sticker is for that particular truck full of all fluids (including fuel) and a 175 lb. driver. So, you might get by with your King Ranch if you're taking only one other person and don't plan on carrying a bunch of heavy stuff in the bed. The tongue weight of my front twin trailer is just under 800 lbs according to Airstream. I'll be curious to see what it weighs ready to go, given that there's very little storage in the front end of the trailer ( although I don't know how centered the tanks are).
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Your actual trailer tongue weight is heavier than Airstream shows in their specs.This is true for all units.Plus the weight that you add when loaded such as LP and gear.


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