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Old 12-10-2016, 10:12 AM   #1
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Ford Expedition sits too low.

I have a 2011Ford Expedition and when hooked up to 23AR 2016 Flying Cloud with the blue Ox sway bars the back end still sits to low. I have checked with the Ford dealer and there is nothing they can do to the independent suspension that could help. I have been to spring shops and accessory shops and no one has one real good answer. One person not connected to a shop did say that he had heard of these wedges that can fit between the coils to keep them from totally compressing. Tongue weight on this trailer is 1100 pounds and I really do not want to go and get a different truck.
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There are forum members who use Expedition and tow similar or larger trailers. Hopefully they will chime in to help. You should be able to level things out. Best of luck.

P.S. The independent suspension, while providing more comfortable ride and better handling, does not have load carrying capacity of a solid axle. Thats why Sequoia is rated less than Tundra, or Expedition less than F150.
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I have a 2014 Expedition & installed Sumo springs.They wedge between the coils of the rear springs.Not to tuff of a job.Raised the rear about 1 1/2".I have a 1990 25' excella.Tongue weight is 750 lbs.Rides level.Anderson hitch.
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Are you sure you are not already over the maximum tongue weight for the Expedition? I looked up a towing guide.... max. tongue weight says 890 and 920 lbs.

http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/g...itionNov18.pdf
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Are you sure you are not already over the maximum tongue weight for the Expedition? I looked up a towing guide.... max. tongue weight says 890 and 920 lbs.

http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/g...itionNov18.pdf
Good catch Paul. I had not thought of that.
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Good catch Paul. I had not thought of that.
Those pesky towing guides....
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I have a 2011Ford Expedition and when hooked up to 23AR 2016 Flying Cloud with the blue Ox sway bars the back end still sits to low. I have checked with the Ford dealer and there is nothing they can do to the independent suspension that could help. I have been to spring shops and accessory shops and no one has one real good answer. One person not connected to a shop did say that he had heard of these wedges that can fit between the coils to keep them from totally compressing. Tongue weight on this trailer is 1100 pounds and I really do not want to go and get a different truck.

Find Andrew Thomson advice on how to set the bars at the Can AM RV website.

Second, using a CAT Scale in the three pass method to determine actual weights. These are segmented so as to show each axle separately

Full fuel in TV plus passengers and gear. Trailer with full propane and fresh water, plus loaded for camping.

First pass: With WD tensioned as in above instructions.

Second pass: With WD fully slack.

Third pass: Having dropped trailer, TV only.

These numbers acquired on three scale tickets are the baseline. How well the WD is actually adjusted versus "real" weight numbers on both vehicles. TW will be known, for example.

Hitch may need further adjustments.

So long as the trailer is level, the TV may be a little low in rear. Same as with any loaded vehicle. But probably not as much as you're experiencing.

There's no real substitute for the above.
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How about this kind of thing?

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Have you looked at air lift bags? Easy to add; they install inside the rear coil springs. Once inflated, they give you several inches of extra ground clearance. NOTE: if you've exceeded the maximum allow tongue weight rating, air lift bags will not magically correct this.

https://www.airliftcompany.com/
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Old 12-10-2016, 12:40 PM   #10
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NY24x2....I have them installed (out west Les Schwab installs them for about $160-180) on both of my SUV's. The nice thing is that you can easily inflate them when you haul your camper, then deflate them (just like a tire) when you need a smoother ride. But make sure you mind the above advice re exceeding carrying capacity. Safe travels. jon
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Old 12-10-2016, 01:11 PM   #11
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We have set up a lot of Expeditions and have never remotely needed heavier springs in any of them. Adding air bags or stiffer springs would likely make it less stable as you would be removing even more weight from the front tires.

I am sure your problem is in the weight distribution setup. The Blue Ox does result in the ball being further from the bumper than we would like but my guess is that you have their lighter duty torsion bars, you will need their strongest ones.

If it is going to cost quite a lot to exchange the Blue Ox bars I would consider switching to an Eaz-Lift system where you can add friction controls, adjust the rearward angle and get the ball closer to the bumper.

Also we usually strengthen the hitch receiver on a Expedition but the stock one is not terrible so with a 23' I don't see that as mandatory.

I hope this helps.

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Old 12-10-2016, 05:58 PM   #12
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It can be done. Equalizer Hitch with 1,200 lb bars.

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Here's what I was trying to show. This is a 2003 Expedition pulling a 27FB. By the CAT scale its all within spec. Almost 1,000 lb tongue weight.
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We tow our 1971 Sovereign 31' with a 2007 Expedition. We did have to purchase an adjustable ball mount to get the trailer leveled. Using our Reese WD hitch the front and rear of the Expedition lower about 1" with the trailer hooked up. Tows very well.
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Andrew, with the tongue weight being around 920 - 1100 pounds, would you recommend the use of the 1,000 pound bars or the 1,500 pound bars for the Blue Ox?
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You're going to need the 1500's to keep the front end from floating.


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Also we usually strengthen the hitch receiver on a Expedition but the stock one is not terrible so with a 23' I don't see that as mandatory.

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Andrew,

Can you please expand on strengthening the factory receiver on an Expedition?

I own a 2017.

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Putting airbags under my 2000 expedition made my towing rock solid. I also prefer the stiffer ride when not towing.
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I'm not familiar with Blue Ox. Could it simply be out of adjustment?

My Eaz Lift was badly out of adjustment but looked perfectly installed (aside from my tail dragging) when I first used it. Once adjusted properly, it still looks great, but my truck is now level and handling is drastically improved.
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