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Old 03-15-2017, 09:56 AM   #61
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I read the same thing and was excited until I hooked up my Airstream with 900lb tongue weight to my 2017 F-250, it for sure needs a WD hitch. Without it the suspension compresses significantly.
I have the 2017 F-250 Diesel Lariat with 2,300 lbs payload.
When I hook up our 30' International with a tongue weight of 1,000 lbs it barely settles 1" without the WD engaged. With the WD engaged it comes up .5". The front doesn't change at all even with the WD engaged.
The 2012 F-150 we had previously would settle 2.5".
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Old 03-15-2017, 12:31 PM   #62
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I just don't understand people's fear of not having a WD hitch here.
I recently hauled a 7000 lb tractor from west central IA to Minneapolis on my 11K lb tandem axle equipment trailer.
Empty, the trailer weighs about 1700 lbs.
I balanced the load so I had about 1000 lbs tongue weight. (just guessing on that) My Chevy 2500HD rear end dropped a couple of inches.
So what?
I came on home at about 75 mph.
Have done similar hauls dozens of times and have seen similar setups on the highway thousands of times.
What is it about Airstreams that you have to have a WD all the time?
Wind load is answer. Weight not particularly important, it's relative to other factors.

75? Really? Devil himself chasing you?
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Old 03-15-2017, 12:39 PM   #63
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I have narrowed it down to an Anderson or Equalizer for my 2017 F-150 EchoBoost paired with my 25 FT AS Flying Cloud. My eyes are bleeding from reading all the research and opinions on them. I'm curious to what you decide?

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Anderson has no more resistance to sway than the cheapest WD on offer. Equakizer is a step down from Dual Cam in effectiveness.

And all are poor -- obsolete -- in comparison to a Jim Hensley-designed hitch.

With a flick of the wrist, one can have a TT too far out to recover up to 55-mph according to my real life testing. Except with one hitch design. I'd already been towing more than twenty years at that point. And had better TVs than the pickup I had then and now (business use).

Hook up the least "safe" TV (a pickup) and the desirability of not only a WD hitch, but it's most advanced design seems obvious. This trailer design is more stable than a pickup. The pickup is the weak link. Can't deal with a trailer tail-out situation.

Nor can the driver. Once the rear axle loses traction it's all over. Mario Andretti couldnt save it.

How hard do you (anyone) want to work at getting the rig down the highway? Seriously. It's supposed to be leisurely travel. One day of gusting winds should be enough for anyone.

One already needs dedicated tools. Add a floor jack to that. Leave the stinger in unless parked a long time. Someone around would be glad to help you remove and install. Give them the chance, just as you'd respond to a request for help.
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Old 03-15-2017, 07:44 PM   #64
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I just don't understand people's fear of not having a WD hitch here.
I recently hauled a 7000 lb tractor from west central IA to Minneapolis on my 11K lb tandem axle equipment trailer.
Empty, the trailer weighs about 1700 lbs.
I balanced the load so I had about 1000 lbs tongue weight. (just guessing on that) My Chevy 2500HD rear end dropped a couple of inches.
So what?
I came on home at about 75 mph.
Have done similar hauls dozens of times and have seen similar setups on the highway thousands of times.
What is it about Airstreams that you have to have a WD all the time?
How much load was removed from your front tires? Think you are more susceptible to hydro-planing???

There are people who say they could be lucky or good and are happy to be lucky. In towing, you can be lucky or safe. You were lucky. I prefer to be safe.
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Old 03-15-2017, 08:07 PM   #65
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Seeing the Anderson sway control just made me wonder if there is better, less weight options. Keep in mind with the hitch and bars on the equalizer, you are probably adding an additional 100lbs to the hitch.
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It looks so much lighter in weight than the other options. I'm intrigued. Anyone else try one of these?
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I have narrowed it down to an Anderson or Equalizer for my 2017 F-150 EchoBoost paired with my 25 FT AS Flying Cloud.
There is a post on another forum where the owner weighed his rig. Turns out his tongue weight with a Hensley design hitch was less than the manufacturers posted dry tongue weight for his trailer. The Hensley site supports this claim, their hitches have a negative impact on tongue weight. The reason is both Hensley designed hitches add to overall length. This puts more weight on the trailer axles and less on the TV. Yes, the overall weight of these hitches is more than others. Most of this is permanently attached to your trailer. You only need to lift the stinger at about 50lbs.

Either a Hensley or ProPride hitch will make your trailer tow as if there was a 12 inch log running from the back bumper of the trailer to the front bumper of your TV. However, if the TV initiates a turn, the trailer will follow obediently.

FWIW, what is the relative value of the hitch to what you paid for your trailer and TV? How much is safety worth to you? Downside, both of these hitches cost more than the alternatives. Your choice.

I tow with a ProPride and will not use anything else unless I move to a 5th wheel or a Class A/C RV.
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Old 03-15-2017, 10:28 PM   #66
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Both those hitches ( to my recollection) extend the hitch making the tow vehicle and trailer longer. I wouldn't want the trailer any further away from my truck.
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Old 03-15-2017, 11:31 PM   #67
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I have a 2015 F250 now - what springs are those? (Weight rating option)?
The ones I used were the @1500 Lbs Version
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"Today's forum reply is brought to you by Hensley Hitches" "That's Hensley Hitches, the only safe alternative to towing your Airstream"

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Anderson has no more resistance to sway than the cheapest WD on offer. Equakizer is a step down from Dual Cam in effectiveness.

And all are poor -- obsolete -- in comparison to a Jim Hensley-designed hitch.

With a flick of the wrist, one can have a TT too far out to recover up to 55-mph according to my real life testing. Except with one hitch design. I'd already been towing more than twenty years at that point. And had better TVs than the pickup I had then and now (business use).

Hook up the least "safe" TV (a pickup) and the desirability of not only a WD hitch, but it's most advanced design seems obvious. This trailer design is more stable than a pickup. The pickup is the weak link. Can't deal with a trailer tail-out situation.

Nor can the driver. Once the rear axle loses traction it's all over. Mario Andretti couldnt save it.

How hard do you (anyone) want to work at getting the rig down the highway? Seriously. It's supposed to be leisurely travel. One day of gusting winds should be enough for anyone.

One already needs dedicated tools. Add a floor jack to that. Leave the stinger in unless parked a long time. Someone around would be glad to help you remove and install. Give them the chance, just as you'd respond to a request for help.
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Old 03-16-2017, 04:56 AM   #69
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I had a Hensley, it was fine, it went with the 04 classic, now have a Reese duel cam, I like it better, it is easier to hook up and the 2500 ram is heavier than the trailer so it handles good.....
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Old 03-16-2017, 08:38 AM   #70
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I tow my 2012 25fb with a 2006 f250 4x4 diesel. I don't use a WD hitch. I've been in heavy crosswind and I tow at 65-70 and it's never done anything that would make me buy one. In fact most of the time you can't even tell the trailer is back there.
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Old 03-16-2017, 08:42 AM   #71
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"Today's forum reply is brought to you by Hensley Hitches" "That's Hensley Hitches, the only safe alternative to towing your Airstream"
Here we go again, the miracle duo, the legendary Propride and Hensley. They will make your trailer levitate over heavy traffic, you will be able to do donuts at 50 mph on freeways and move along at any speed in 90 MPH crosswinds and do all that with one finger on the steering wheel and a cup of Starbucks late in the other hand.
There have been millions of miles logged without incidents with all kinds of hitches and without hitches pulling trailers. Weather or not someone has actually averted an accident by having one of those two is highly debatable. However one thing is not debatable is that they are very expensive and cumbersome. And in trailing just as in general aviation, 99 percent of crashes are due to pilot error.
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There was some very heavy sarcasm there Franklyfrank. I'm on the fence of even purchasing a wd hitch. If I do, it will be an Anderson, Blue OX, or Equalizer. I couldn't see spending that much on a hitch but I know some folks have the budget to do so. I'm sure they are great, to each their own but one of the reasons I purchased an Airstream is due to the ease of towing.

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Here we go again, the miracle duo, the legendary Propride and Hensley. They will make your trailer levitate over heavy traffic, you will be able to do donuts at 50 mph on freeways and move along at any speed in 90 MPH crosswinds and do all that with one finger on the steering wheel and a cup of Starbucks late in the other hand.
There have been millions of miles logged without incidents with all kinds of hitches and without hitches pulling trailers. Weather or not someone has actually averted an accident by having one of those two is highly debatable. However one thing is not debatable is that they are very expensive and cumbersome. And in trailing just as in general aviation, 99 percent of crashes are due to pilot error.
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Old 03-16-2017, 09:02 AM   #73
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However one thing is not debatable is that they are very expensive and cumbersome.
Hensley and Propride are:

Expensive yes.

Cumbersome - No. Easier to use than other hitches.

Lots of folks hating a good product without first hand knowledge. All hitches work to their function to some degree, some work better for crosswind situations.
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Old 03-16-2017, 09:57 AM   #74
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I recently hauled a 7000 lb tractor from west central IA to Minneapolis on my 11K lb tandem axle equipment trailer.
Empty, the trailer weighs about 1700 lbs.
I have a 14' Featherlight trailer, aluminum, that weighs 1550 lbs. empty. How is that a 11K lb. capacity trailer only weighs 1700 pounds?

After reading hundreds of "hitch" posts, I've concluded that 50% of the posters here have lots of disposable income and will buy any new toy that promises something interesting in the name of safety. "I got a new F-350 diesel to tow my Bambi." Okay, good for you. Personally, I'd have myself Baker Acted if I bought a new truck when I had a perfectly good one at home. YMMV
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I have narrowed it down to an Anderson or Equalizer for my 2017 F-150 EchoBoost paired with my 25 FT AS Flying Cloud. My eyes are bleeding from reading all the research and opinions on them. I'm curious to what you decide?

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I started with the Anderson but sold it after a few months. The design is not capable of much weight distribution. No matter what I tried it didn't work well. The sway control seemed okay. It's probably best for small trailers with moderate needs, or larger trailers hitched to heavy duty trucks where weight distribution is not important. Your F-150 (and mine) require more substantial weight re-distribution. I purchased a equal-i-zer weight distribution for my prior Ford Expedition (1,200 lb bars) and found it to be fine. I recently got a 2017 F-150 and the hitch seems to be fine for this truck too.

I won't disagree that the Propride is probably a better sway controlling hitch than the equal-i-zer, but I doubt it's much different at weight re-distribution. It's just that it's a lot of heavy metal hanging off the tongue adding to an already heavy tongue weight.
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WD hitches have there place and it's usually for the one's that buy there trailer before there tow vehicle. Lot's of folks think man I just dropped all this cash on a trailer and all I got is a jeep wrangler to pull my 25 foot trailer with. Ding,ding I know I'll get me a hitch and I'll be all good instead of buying the vehicle I really need to pull it.
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I spoke with the folks at Andersen hitch earlier this week. The hitch sounds like it would offer what I'm looking for as it checks all of the boxes in my original post - however - they advised against it for me. Why? I have a 2015 Eddie Bauer Edition. Currently, Andersen advises against using the hitch with later model Airstreams that have (what they called) humpback tongues ( where the hitch on the trailer rises to the rear of the ball connector behind the release lever). While they are working on a fix...it has been determined that for some reason...the Andersen connected to this "humpback" hitch can cause the release lever to disengage (even with a pin or lock through the release lever) which can cause the trailer to come undone from the hitch if you hit a major bump in the road.
They are ONLY experiencing this challenge specifically with airstreams that have this late model style hitch.
I really appreciated their being forthright in their explaination and their response in calling me back as we exchanged pictures, etc. if and when they get this sorted, I'll be buying one.
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I spoke with the folks at Andersen hitch earlier this week. The hitch sounds like it would offer what I'm looking for as it checks all of the boxes in my original post - however - they advised against it for me. Why? I have a 2015 Eddie Bauer Edition. Currently, Andersen advises against using the hitch with later model Airstreams that have (what they called) humpback tongues ( where the hitch on the trailer rises to the rear of the ball connector behind the release lever). While they are working on a fix...it has been determined that for some reason...the Andersen connected to this "humpback" hitch can cause the release lever to disengage (even with a pin or lock through the release lever) which can cause the trailer to come undone from the hitch if you hit a major bump in the road.
They are ONLY experiencing this challenge specifically with airstreams that have this late model style hitch.
I really appreciated their being forthright in their explaination and their response in calling me back as we exchanged pictures, etc. if and when they get this sorted, I'll be buying one.
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The issue isn't with the Anderson hitch it's the coupler design. The coupler doesn't like the way the pressure is applied. That worries me in a panic stop if the trailer brakes were to malfunction. The best bet is probably to weld on a better coupler rather than a different hitch.
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I have a 14' Featherlight trailer, aluminum, that weighs 1550 lbs. empty. How is that a 11K lb. capacity trailer only weighs 1700 pounds?

After reading hundreds of "hitch" posts, I've concluded that 50% of the posters here have lots of disposable income and will buy any new toy that promises something interesting in the name of safety. "I got a new F-350 diesel to tow my Bambi." Okay, good for you. Personally, I'd have myself Baker Acted if I bought a new truck when I had a perfectly good one at home. YMMV

Maybe it weighs more. I have never weighed it.
Your point about the disposable income is apt.
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How much load was removed from your front tires? Think you are more susceptible to hydro-planing???

There are people who say they could be lucky or good and are happy to be lucky. In towing, you can be lucky or safe. You were lucky. I prefer to be safe.
So what happens when you have a good load in the back of the pickup and no trailer attached?
Does the load not also cause the rear end to squat and the front to rise thus removing weight from your steering tires?
Do you think this is not factored into the pickup at the factory?
Do you think the millions of pickups that are carrying "within limits" loads in the bed are susceptible to hydroplaning and thus unsafe?
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