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Old 02-13-2017, 04:08 AM   #29
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Old 02-13-2017, 09:00 AM   #30
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I appreciate everyones input. That said, I've read every thread on weight distribution hitches on these boards ad nauseam. I've also read every thread on TV choices.

I like the F250 and that's the end of that subject for me.

It isn't that I don't like the performance of the Equalizer. If I wanted a different (but similarly weighted) hitch, I would have asked that question. But that's not what I am looking for.

I saw the aforementioned and referenced video where it is claimed the new 2017 F250 didn't require a weight distribution hitch, and wondered.

Additionally, while watching it one thing also dawned on me; he mentioned today's body panel adhesives are stronger than welding. So, I wondered about aluminum hitches. I came across a thread about the new 3" shank aluminum Anderson Rapid Hitch (as the new F250 has a sleeve for the 2" shank and it's removable to use a 3" hitch shank). In the video, a 6 year old kid easily loads the Rapid Hitch tow hitch which is rated to tow 15,000 lbs. The hitch also features a ball called the No Grease ball (has some sort of nylon insert in the tip).

It got me to thinking if the new F250 didn't need a weight distribution hitch, that I could use the Rapid Hitch (weight issue for both towing and lifting and storage of hitch solved) with the no grease ball (getting grease on my hands and clothes solved) to tow with.

That lead me to discover the Anderson Weight distribution hitch.

So the questions were is anyone towing a 27foot airstream (or shorter) with a new F250 without the use of weight distribution hitches and experiencing no issues?

If I could get an F250 with the heavy duty rear suspension package, and use the Anderton weight distribution hitch simply to handle sway, would this possibly work?

Technologies change and evolve (just like the body panels being held on by adhesives). I was slow to join the LED band wagon as I liked incandescent light, but when a friend asked if I was still driving a steam engine car, I realized I should check it out and glad I did).
So, since technologies evolve, that is what I am looking for with this thread. Outside of the box thinking on innovative, clean and light weight towing solutions that don't compromise safety.

Thanks for listening and understanding.

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Old 02-13-2017, 10:23 AM   #31
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Does yours have the HD rear spring package?
I don't see that as an option, on the Ford site I see "Trailer Tow Package - High Capacity" and "Heavy Service Front Suspension" both of which include "Max Front Springs".
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Old 02-13-2017, 10:24 AM   #32
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How much does the front rise?
I'll measure next time I hook up the trailer and let you know.
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Old 02-13-2017, 03:20 PM   #33
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I'll offer my experience, although it's not a perfect fit. My F250 was a 2001, so it didn't have any special or computer controlled suspension capability. I often pulled a 22' Safari and a occasionally a 26' Overlander (actually 27' long), without a weight distribution hitch, with no sway or control issues at highway speeds to 70 mph. We bought an Expedition in 2012 and experienced significant sway on either trailer. The sway was reduced but not eliminated with the WD hitch (EZ). I change the Expedition rear sway bar with a heavy duty bar and the sway was eliminated with the WD hitch and very minimal sway without. Traded in the F250 in December and got a Ram 1500, even though I was slightly concerned about the potential behavior of the rear coil springs. Only one test drive towing, so far, with the 22' without WD hitch. Minimal sway to about 65 mph. We'll add the WD hitch on the first spring outing.

If you're set on buying the WD hitch anyway, you may want to try towing once locally at speed without one, then decide. I know that sounds taboo to many, and we typically use the WD hitch. I believe there are safety benefits as others here have indicated.

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Old 02-13-2017, 06:36 PM   #34
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We tow our 26U on ball only. Our tow is a 2016 Ram 3500 SRW 4x4 Megacab.

We have towed several times now with no hint of sway. Towed in high winds and at posted speed limits.

I seriously doubt you need a hitch that is going to move weight to your trucks front end. These diesel engines weigh enough as it is. Also you don't need to move weight to your trailer axles if you don't have to.

Only reason to have a weight distribution type hitch with bars or chains is if you don;t have enough tow vehicle. Then they are a must have.

Towing on the ball is much easier on you and your trailer. Much less shock transmitted to the trailer frame and vise verse.

If anything you might want to add a sway bar. These bolt to the trailer frame and weld to the ball mount. Very light weight and can be adjusted easily. cost is around $100 if I remember correctly. That's all you really need with the truck you have. I haven't added them yet and may not as the 26U tags perfectly.

Like a few others have suggested here...try it on the ball first and see how it does. If you don't have to have those awful hitch bars and chains you will be much happier when hooking and unhooking from your tow vehicle.
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Old 02-14-2017, 01:07 AM   #35
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Hello, very interested in your Airsafe hitch. Last spring and summer was our first season and we towed for about 11,000 miles with nothing more than the ball and standard coupler.....with a simple friction sway control bar installed. Light load in our 27' was balanced and F350, 2002 diesel TV was carrying 1500 lbs. Mountains, plains, winds and large trucks passing seemed to make little trouble. However, we were aware of the rough ride at times and are looking for some advice on dampening the bounce.
Reading everything I can makes me question the advice (from a dealer) so I am asking 'old salts' to point out the error of my ways.......please.
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Old 02-14-2017, 01:47 AM   #36
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However, we were aware of the rough ride at times and are looking for some advice on dampening the bounce.
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This earlier post may be germane, as dampening the hobby-horsing is an under-recognized function of weight distributions systems IMO:

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One function of a WD hitch goes beyond the static measurements being considered, and is the most important one IMO -- that of the rig in motion on roads which are not perfectly flat. As the road surface undulates up and down, and the combined rig of TV and AS reacts by Hobby-horsing up and down, the WD hitch dampens these dynamic oscillations. The complicated hitches like Hensley and Pro-Pride control this dampening in a serious way, but all WD hitches do it to some extent.

No matter how much static load the new F-250 will handle, dealing with the combined rig in motion underscores -- IMO -- that almost all trailers require some WD except for maybe the smallest at 16' to 19' or so.

And on this issue there are tons of other threads . . .

Good luck!

Peter

Good luck, and welcome to the forum!

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Old 02-14-2017, 09:22 AM   #37
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I appreciate everyones input. That said, I've read every thread on weight distribution hitches on these boards ad nauseam. I've also read every thread on TV choices.

I like the F250 and that's the end of that subject for me.

It isn't that I don't like the performance of the Equalizer. If I wanted a different (but similarly weighted) hitch, I would have asked that question. But that's not what I am looking for.

I saw the aforementioned and referenced video where it is claimed the new 2017 F250 didn't require a weight distribution hitch, and wondered.

Additionally, while watching it one thing also dawned on me; he mentioned today's body panel adhesives are stronger than welding. So, I wondered about aluminum hitches. I came across a thread about the new 3" shank aluminum Anderson Rapid Hitch (as the new F250 has a sleeve for the 2" shank and it's removable to use a 3" hitch shank). In the video, a 6 year old kid easily loads the Rapid Hitch tow hitch which is rated to tow 15,000 lbs. The hitch also features a ball called the No Grease ball (has some sort of nylon insert in the tip).

It got me to thinking if the new F250 didn't need a weight distribution hitch, that I could use the Rapid Hitch (weight issue for both towing and lifting and storage of hitch solved) with the no grease ball (getting grease on my hands and clothes solved) to tow with.

That lead me to discover the Anderson Weight distribution hitch.

So the questions were is anyone towing a 27foot airstream (or shorter) with a new F250 without the use of weight distribution hitches and experiencing no issues?

If I could get an F250 with the heavy duty rear suspension package, and use the Anderton weight distribution hitch simply to handle sway, would this possibly work?

Technologies change and evolve (just like the body panels being held on by adhesives). I was slow to join the LED band wagon as I liked incandescent light, but when a friend asked if I was still driving a steam engine car, I realized I should check it out and glad I did).
So, since technologies evolve, that is what I am looking for with this thread. Outside of the box thinking on innovative, clean and light weight towing solutions that don't compromise safety.

Thanks for listening and understanding.

D
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Last December I received my Special Order F-250 Lariat Ultimate (Sun Roof) Diesel Crew Cab 34 GL Tank 6' 9" Box.. Payload 2,400 LBS. All stock suspension because I wanted the best ride possible in a heavy truck and 18" wheels so it would fit in my garage. (Made it with 3/4" to spare)
First trip out fully loaded, fridge to the hilt for travel, 975 lbs tongue weight full tank of water empty waste tanks, two humans and two dogs (who think they are humans) and had it scaled.
Steer Axle : 5,100 lbs
Drive Axle : 4,460 lbs
Trailer Dual: 7,460 lbs, AS is a 30' International. (Blue Ox WD engaged)
Front end opening at 40"
Rear opening 41", after settling 1". I hope this is helpful information for those contemplating a 2017 F-250, its an awesome truck.
I can tell you one thing I noticed that the heavy steer axle makes all the difference in the world. Talk about no sway.
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Old 02-19-2017, 10:07 PM   #38
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Stiff suspensions

We pull our 2014 31' classic with an F-250 diesel. With a WD hitch or not I think the truck with it's stiff suspension really beats the trailer up. We use the Air Safe hitch along with an WD Equal-I-zer. The Air Safe really softens out the trailer ride. I wish Ford would come out with the rear airbag suspension like Dodge. It would really help the ride.

With the F-250 at 8,000 plus pounds and stiff suspension I don't think you get much weight transfer if any with a WD hitch. I do think you get a good amount of sway control though if set up correctly. Good luck with your travels.


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I appreciate everyones input. That said, I've read every thread on weight distribution hitches on these boards ad nauseam. I've also read every thread on TV choices.

I like the F250 and that's the end of that subject for me.

It isn't that I don't like the performance of the Equalizer. If I wanted a different (but similarly weighted) hitch, I would have asked that question. But that's not what I am looking for.

I saw the aforementioned and referenced video where it is claimed the new 2017 F250 didn't require a weight distribution hitch, and wondered.

Additionally, while watching it one thing also dawned on me; he mentioned today's body panel adhesives are stronger than welding. So, I wondered about aluminum hitches. I came across a thread about the new 3" shank aluminum Anderson Rapid Hitch (as the new F250 has a sleeve for the 2" shank and it's removable to use a 3" hitch shank). In the video, a 6 year old kid easily loads the Rapid Hitch tow hitch which is rated to tow 15,000 lbs. The hitch also features a ball called the No Grease ball (has some sort of nylon insert in the tip).

It got me to thinking if the new F250 didn't need a weight distribution hitch, that I could use the Rapid Hitch (weight issue for both towing and lifting and storage of hitch solved) with the no grease ball (getting grease on my hands and clothes solved) to tow with.

That lead me to discover the Anderson Weight distribution hitch.

So the questions were is anyone towing a 27foot airstream (or shorter) with a new F250 without the use of weight distribution hitches and experiencing no issues?

If I could get an F250 with the heavy duty rear suspension package, and use the Anderton weight distribution hitch simply to handle sway, would this possibly work?

Technologies change and evolve (just like the body panels being held on by adhesives). I was slow to join the LED band wagon as I liked incandescent light, but when a friend asked if I was still driving a steam engine car, I realized I should check it out and glad I did).
So, since technologies evolve, that is what I am looking for with this thread. Outside of the box thinking on innovative, clean and light weight towing solutions that don't compromise safety.

Thanks for listening and understanding.

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That really is an interesting question. Can an Equalizer, Blue Ox, etc. ball mount style hitch control sway if the weight distribution is NOT engaged. How would this be done?

I suspect that the ProPride and Hensley hitches can be run this way. The anti-sway mechanism is totally separate from weight distribution. I would want to hear from Sean or Hensley directly. Stinger still weighs in at 60 or so pounds, so a 6 year old isn't going to carry it...

Waiting for someone with experience to answer!
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No. Only an eazlift can because the sway control is separate from WD bars.
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Old 02-21-2017, 08:12 AM   #41
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I don't see that as an option, on the Ford site I see "Trailer Tow Package - High Capacity" and "Heavy Service Front Suspension" both of which include "Max Front Springs".

Last September we ordered a 2017 F-250 diesel. I believe the heavy duty Front suspension is standard on the diesel however it will come with the standard rear suspension unless you order it special.
I decided not to go for it believing it would give us a better ride. It does for sure and at close to 2,400 lbs payload I have more capacity than I will ever use.
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Old 02-22-2017, 08:41 PM   #42
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I read the same thing and was excited until I hooked up my Airstream with 900lb tongue weight to my 2017 F-250, it for sure needs a WD hitch. Without it the suspension compresses significantly.
I bought into this marketing too. I've only pulled it about 2K Miles so far with a Weigh Safe Hitch. So far in pretty mild weather no wind over 15-20 Mph, i really don't notice anything swaying semi's passing or not, keeping speed between 55 and 60 Mph.

I ordered the truck for towing fulltime in mind. I have a 4X4 and it's leveled but have noticed some sag in the back. It's got approx 600-700 Lbs in the Bed.

My 1st step was to install SumoSprings, which really helped alot. took most of the bounce on bumps out, they are super easy to install on my truck. 10-15 Mins a side. Also no leaking like Airbags can do.

I have purchased an Equalizer WD Hitch, just as additional insurance, so I'm hoping with the WD Hitch and SumoSprings it will ride safer.

Note, I also saw big AS's being delivered from Ohio to California, on a straight ball, so I guess it's OK, I just want the extra safety margin.
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