F150 payload

[BradB]

I'm hoping someone can share their thoughts on F150 payload. Right now I have a 2012 F150 Supercab with the 5.0 litre and 3.73 axle. Payload is ~1800 on this. I'm thinking of changing to a 2013 SuperCrew with the EcoBoost - the truck does not have the Max Tow package and has the 3.55 axle. The dealer prefers the 3.55 axle for fuel savings. Payload on this is 1520 which is less than the current one and is what has me concerned. Tow capacity is fine at 9700 lbs.

Do I need to be concerned about that given what I'm towing (76 Sovereign)? I don't think I'll be changing the trailer for some time and if I do it would likely be an older (80's) 34'.

My 76 has a reasonably light tongue (~500 dry) and we travel lightly enough - I don't expect to put much, if anything, in the truck box.

Does anyone have any suggestions to offer about this? Anyone doing it with an EB and 3.55?

[A W Warn]

I think you will be ok, if you really travel light. No doubt, the vehicle will pull the trailer.
Several limits are set by the manufacturer (tire load, axel load, hitch load, payload, gross vehicle weight, max combined weight), though they surely include some safety margin. Each limit is important as the other. Exceeding any one by a large amount could be dangerous.
My advice: do some honest math, based on how you load the vehicle, before you purchase.

[BradB]

Thanks - I'm talking to the dealer right now and he's trying to understand payload more fully. I think it's often a totally misunderstood area!

Options on the vehicle are subtracted from the payload right?

[handn]

Tongue weight of the trailer is subtracted from the payload. Load yourself, your wife, the family dog and a full tank of fuel into the truck and you may have a couple of hundred pounds for camping gear or an extra passenger. Why should you have to choose which to carry?
Is the payload improved by a lower rear end ratio? If so, that is a better choice.

[Sphere Guy]

All things going on, on top of or into, detracts from the payload, fuel, people, pets, bed liners, bed caps, food, drinks, chairs, etc.... especially tounge weight!

I wouldn't think a gear ratio would benefit the payload.

[DKB_SATX]

Originally Posted by Sphere Guy

All things going on, on top of or into, detracts from the payload, fuel, people, pets, bed liners, bed caps, food, drinks, chairs, etc.... especially tounge weight!

I wouldn't think a gear ratio would benefit the payload.

The problem is that the F150's HD payload package ONLY comes with the 3.73 limited-slip rear axle, at least in 2WD configs. So, you're going to be down on payload from the ideal case for F150s if you buy one of those 3.55s off the dealer's lot.

I've pretty much resigned myself to a factory order for the next truck, because dealers rarely stock the HD payload with nice trim levels. I think part of the reasons they don't stock those configurations in Lariats is that the "fancy" factory wheels aren't compatible with the 7-lug hubs, and of course EVERYONE needs 20" wheels on their pickup, right?

[Moflash]

Are these payload numbers you are quoting being taken from the sticker on the trucks driver side door jam or from another source.If it is from another source t is probably much less as each truck is different due to weight of options and configurations available.

[JFScheck]

Double check your "Max Payload" sticker inside your door jamb. Also, in the Ford Owners guide, is a great explanation of the importance of this sticker and how to use it in calculating your "Max Payload Weight".

Basically for Ford F-150 2013 Trucks - According to the owners manual, Max Payload is the truck with a full tank of gas already accounted for, but no driver, passenger or payload.

[BradB]

They're just from the literature, not on the door itself. Just to make sure I understand, the door sticker will likely be less than what I posted?

Originally Posted by Moflash

Are these payload numbers you are quoting being taken from the sticker on the trucks driver side door jam or from another source.If it is from another source t is probably much less as each truck is different due to weight of options and configurations available.

[BradB]

That does seem to be a problem, trucks that are cars.

I had a hard time getting 3.73 in my 2012 at all as it was. I think I may have to order eventually too because it's too hard to find exactly what you want.

Originally Posted by DKB_SATX

The problem is that the F150's HD payload package ONLY comes with the 3.73 limited-slip rear axle, at least in 2WD configs. So, you're going to be down on payload from the ideal case for F150s if you buy one of those 3.55s off the dealer's lot.

I've pretty much resigned myself to a factory order for the next truck, because dealers rarely stock the HD payload with nice trim levels. I think part of the reasons they don't stock those configurations in Lariats is that the "fancy" factory wheels aren't compatible with the 7-lug hubs, and of course EVERYONE needs 20" wheels on their pickup, right?

[Moflash]

Yes the true payload will be on the door jamb of each truck.The literature figure is without any options and is not accurate.This is tricky you have to read carefully including the fine print.

[ROBERT CROSS]

Weigh your truck hitched-up, loaded for camping, look on the door jamb sticker to get the axle weight ratings.

Example...

Our TV,

GAWR frt. 4180lbs
GAWR rear 5500lbs

Loaded & hitched,

Frt. 3640lbs=540lbs of standby payload.
Rear 4680lbs=820lbs of standby payload.

Bob

[Moflash]

Example:My f150 had the optional 7200lb Gvwr with only a 1340 max payload.That 1340 includes passengers,tongue weight,WD hitch and any gear you put in or on the truck. It fades away quickly.

[ROBERT CROSS]

Originally Posted by Moflash

Example:My f150 had the optional 7200lb Gvwr with only a 1340 max payload.That 1340 includes passengers,tongue weight,WD hitch and any gear you put in or on the truck. It fades away quickly.

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You can't figure payload without actual weights and axle ratings...all else is guesswork.

Consider the stated AS tongue weights.

Bob

[richinny]

ford has a publication that lists the weights of every option. in my 2012 the fuel and 150 lb. driver were already subtracted from the payload. the max tow pkg. adds things you'll want when towing. i estimated what my door sticker would be and came in 55 lbs. under the sticker. in 2012 the max payload only came with the longest wheel based trucks. to get the most payload i built an XLT model to keep y=the options to a minimum. order the tailgate step!

[jdalrymple]

So folks would say the numbers from the factory mean nothing, and that provided the correct tires are installed, any vehicle with the wheels on the far corners of the chassis and the hitch mounted as near to the rear axle as possible, all will be fine.

Perhaps this is the best of all.... one could connect the hitch TO the rear axle.








Just a little humor......

Regards,

JD

[A W Warn]

Originally Posted by BradB

Thanks - I'm talking to the dealer right now and he's trying to understand payload more fully. I think it's often a totally misunderstood area!

Options on the vehicle are subtracted from the payload right?

The dealer does not need to understand.
You do need to understand!

[Moflash]

Robert if you are a owner of a later model F150 the actual payload capacity is on a label as stated above.Each truck is differently equipped with options and also have different GVWR ratings.It is confusing for a prospective buyer and some owners.I agree with you on weighing before and after for a actual payload,but for someone looking at buying a truck they need to know what that particular truck is rated to haul and with the F150 it is kind of deceiving.Hmmmm I wonder if they do this on purpose..............

[ROBERT CROSS]

Originally Posted by Moflash

Robert if you are a owner of a later model F150 the actual payload capacity is on a label as stated above.Each truck is differently equipped with options and also have different GVWR ratings.It is confusing for a prospective buyer and some owners.I agree with you on weighing before and after for a actual payload,but for someone looking at buying a truck they need to know what that particular truck is rated to haul and with the F150 it is kind of deceiving.Hmmmm I wonder if they do this on purpose..............

....most importantly they need to know what the axles are rated for, and an accurate weight for the truck. You can get a very good idea by just weighing the truck with a full tank and two warm bodies.

BTW...these guidelines for payload capability do not apply in the Great White North.

Bob

[Griggs]

Here's the payload calculator I used when building my 2013 F150. The document was published in 2012, but the numbers were accurate for my configuration. YMMV

https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas...Payload_SB.pdf