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Old 06-26-2013, 03:41 PM   #15
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ford has a publication that lists the weights of every option. in my 2012 the fuel and 150 lb. driver were already subtracted from the payload. the max tow pkg. adds things you'll want when towing. i estimated what my door sticker would be and came in 55 lbs. under the sticker. in 2012 the max payload only came with the longest wheel based trucks. to get the most payload i built an XLT model to keep y=the options to a minimum. order the tailgate step!
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Old 06-26-2013, 03:51 PM   #16
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So folks would say the numbers from the factory mean nothing, and that provided the correct tires are installed, any vehicle with the wheels on the far corners of the chassis and the hitch mounted as near to the rear axle as possible, all will be fine.

Perhaps this is the best of all.... one could connect the hitch TO the rear axle.








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Old 06-26-2013, 03:58 PM   #17
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Thanks - I'm talking to the dealer right now and he's trying to understand payload more fully. I think it's often a totally misunderstood area!

Options on the vehicle are subtracted from the payload right?
The dealer does not need to understand.
You do need to understand!
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Old 06-26-2013, 05:19 PM   #18
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Robert if you are a owner of a later model F150 the actual payload capacity is on a label as stated above.Each truck is differently equipped with options and also have different GVWR ratings.It is confusing for a prospective buyer and some owners.I agree with you on weighing before and after for a actual payload,but for someone looking at buying a truck they need to know what that particular truck is rated to haul and with the F150 it is kind of deceiving.Hmmmm I wonder if they do this on purpose..............
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Old 06-26-2013, 06:05 PM   #19
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Robert if you are a owner of a later model F150 the actual payload capacity is on a label as stated above.Each truck is differently equipped with options and also have different GVWR ratings.It is confusing for a prospective buyer and some owners.I agree with you on weighing before and after for a actual payload,but for someone looking at buying a truck they need to know what that particular truck is rated to haul and with the F150 it is kind of deceiving.Hmmmm I wonder if they do this on purpose..............
....most importantly they need to know what the axles are rated for, and an accurate weight for the truck. You can get a very good idea by just weighing the truck with a full tank and two warm bodies.

BTW...these guidelines for payload capability do not apply in the Great White North.

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Old 06-26-2013, 06:37 PM   #20
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Here's the payload calculator I used when building my 2013 F150. The document was published in 2012, but the numbers were accurate for my configuration. YMMV

https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas...Payload_SB.pdf
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Old 06-26-2013, 07:26 PM   #21
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Robert I agree that info is on the same sticker I referred to.
The great white north ,well they look at mathematics and engineering as a conspiracy against minivans and economy cars......roll eyes lol
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Old 06-26-2013, 08:43 PM   #22
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my 2011 f150 has max tow and heavy duty payload and ecoboost and 8 foot box.
Payload is 2700 lb. Now you can't get that in the fancy packages. Probably only in a XLT. But tow capacity is also 11,200lb.
3.73 rear axle ratio. the mileage is still really good if you keep your speed reasonable.
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Old 06-26-2013, 09:17 PM   #23
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my 2011 f150 has max tow and heavy duty payload and ecoboost and 8 foot box.
Payload is 2700 lb. Now you can't get that in the fancy packages. Probably only in a XLT. But tow capacity is also 11,200lb.
3.73 rear axle ratio. the mileage is still really good if you keep your speed reasonable.
Check out all available packages before deciding.
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You can get HD payload in 2 configurations of Lariat trim also, but nothing higher.

Lariat is more than enough for me, thought King Ranch seats are VERY nice.
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Unfortunately there are none in stock the majority of the time.And then there is the question do the really ride a lot softer than the f250 being a over sprung 1/2 ton with a light duty chassis and brakes.What will the resale value be as it is not a cushy 1/2 city truck nor is it the 3/4 Superduty workhorse.Steel wheels only on the HD payload pack... Who knows about the real cost savings if any to go with a small v6 with tiurbos and Hd springs or a 3/4 ton with hd chassis, brakes,rear differential and progressive springs not to mention radiator transmission driveshaft and all the other differences along a proven resale track record.The initial cost upfront is one thing but if you ever sell your vehicles or trade them in you must also factor in resale for a true cost.I myself did not see any significant mileage difference when researching after you lower the gear ratio on the 1/2 ton.
When I found that the dealers would not stock the HD package on the F150 Iknew it was not for me.But everyone has there own opinion that's what makes this a great world.
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You can get HD payload in 2 configurations of Lariat trim also, but nothing higher.

Lariat is more than enough for me, thought King Ranch seats are VERY nice.
I have the 2012 Lariat Supercrew, Ecoboost, HD Payload, Max Tow. 6.5ft box.

2150 lbs payload as listed on the door jam. Within a few pounds when measured on the scales.

Tow capacity is 8900 lbs when truck at maximum payload.

It was hard to find this truck - I could have special ordered, however we wanted to get one sooner then the order lead time. It was the end of the 2012 model year and there was only 1 left in Canada. I had to travel about 1400kms to get it...fun road trip. Seriously.
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Unfortunately there are none in stock the majority of the time.And then there is the question do the really ride a lot softer than the f250 being a over sprung 1/2 ton with a light duty chassis and brakes.What will the resale value be as it is not a cushy 1/2 city truck nor is it the 3/4 Superduty workhorse.Steel wheels only on the HD payload pack... Who knows about the real cost savings if any to go with a small v6 with tiurbos and Hd springs or a 3/4 ton with hd chassis, brakes,rear differential and progressive springs not to mention radiator transmission driveshaft and all the other differences along a proven resale track record.The initial cost upfront is one thing but if you ever sell your vehicles or trade them in you must also factor in resale for a true cost.I myself did not see any significant mileage difference when researching after you lower the gear ratio on the 1/2 ton.
When I found that the dealers would not stock the HD package on the F150 Iknew it was not for me.But everyone has there own opinion that's what makes this a great world.
What you're talking about may be opinion, but it's certainly not fact. I'm sure XLs with HD payload have steel wheels, but Lariats have 17" aluminum 7-lug wheels. It's not about being "oversprung", it's a different rear axle with the 7-lug hubs and E-rated tires from the factory. If you want to buy an F250 go ahead, there are plenty out there. Don't tell people who don't want a 3/4 ton truck they are making a mistake and then pretend that's not what you're doing.
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Just another data point on payload. I have a 2013 Lariat SuperCrew, EcoBoost, MaxTow, 5.5 ft box, 3.73 rear axle. My payload sticker is listed as 1738 lbs. I've been happy with the mpg. HD payload would have been nice, but truck length was a factor.
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I think part of the reasons they don't stock those configurations in Lariats is that the "fancy" factory wheels aren't compatible with the 7-lug hubs, and of course EVERYONE needs 20" wheels on their pickup, right?
The bigger wheels and tires make the potholes smaller! You can get the 20" wheels from Ford for the heavy hauling, but they have 8 lugs.
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