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Old 05-29-2014, 01:17 AM   #15
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Let me tell you a quick story...

1. Downsized from 2011 30 Classic to 2013 27FB Serinity
2. Traded in 2011 F-350 SRW for 2013 EcoBoost 4x4 Crew Cab King Ranch cause the fleet dealer told me after I gave him tongue weight, topper weight, peeps weight, etc. that the F-150 can handle payload. Thought smaller trailer I could get smaller truck as F-350 would be overkill.
3. 2 weeks later, night before new trailer pickup, I check driver door for tire pressure and discover "max payload" sticker of F-150.
4. Attempt to get traded in F-350 back, too late plus I now own a used F-150 that cannot handle max payload I require.
5. While purchasing 2014 SRT Grand Cherokee, test drive 2013 Ram 2500 4x4 Mega Cab with Cummins diesel. Better ride & nicer than both F-150 4x4 Crew Cab King Ranch EcoBoost and previous F-350 King Ranch diesel SRW 4x4.
6. Purchase Ram 2500 Cummins & take loss on F-150 EcoBoost Ford.
7. Happy ever after (with lessons learned).

Towed a 2009 25FB Classic with diesel TDI Touareg all over this awesome country of ours. Super combo package (Airstream & diesel Touareg) and towed like a dream (ProPride Hitch) with the caveat that I had nothing in the Touareg and packed my items in the aft section of the Airstream.

Yea, could have kept the F-150 EcoBoost, removed the topper and been a bit over the max payload of the EcoBoost and like my Touareg setup, sweat the weights.... Been there, done that, never again...

And YES, you are reading this correctly, my Touareg had a higher max payload than that F-150 EcoBoost Ford by a few hundred pounds!

BTW - ProPride Hitch's all the way!!!

Oh, and my suggestion based on my experience, purchase a F-250/2500....

Hi, and John can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think everyone should know this; His Ford Eco-Boost F-150 had a pitiful 1200 lb payload. My Navigator has a payload of 1600 lbs. Being that I'm considering buying an Eco-Boost F-150 to replace my Lincoln I will make sure that the payload is higher than what I have now. At John's cost, I think we should all have learned from this.
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Old 05-29-2014, 07:41 AM   #16
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Sounds to me like a good choice. 1800 or so of payload sounds like a lot. My 2500 diesel only has 2100. I do not know about the 3.55 rear end. But since ir is a 2wd you could try it and change it out later if it does not work out. I think it will be fine.
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Old 05-29-2014, 07:42 AM   #17
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I am in general a proponent of half-ton trucks, I prefer the F150 to the F250 overall for various personal reasons. However, I have a vintage (i.e. lighter) trailer and mountains are far away from me.

I see that you live in northern California (with mountains calling you to camp in them), and you're buying a new fairly-heavy widebody Airstream. I think that the short wheelbase/3.55 diff F150 will be borderline.

The published tongue weights for Airstreams are notoriously light, you should figure on more tongue weight than the 885 lb. If you go with the ProPride hitch that sucker is heavy too and should figure in.

With the 6-speed and lots of torque at low RPM on the Ecoboost, the 3.55 diff is OK ratio-wise, but the reason I harp on the 3.73 limited-slip diff is that on the current F150 that axle comes only with the HD Payload setup, which will get you into a range where the truck is well-configured for heavier loads. I suspect those are hard to find on the used market, they're certainly hard to find new on a dealer lot. A word of caution, most people don't know the difference between a limited-slip diff and a crow bar, so if someone tells you the truck they're selling has the 3.73 LSD when you ask, smile and nod and check the tag on the door frame that tells the truth. That particular axle is easy to identify because it has 7-lug hubs, but check the doorframe tag and look for "B6" under the Axle heading.

As far as numbers, Ford quotes their payload as the amount over and above a full tank of fuel and a 150-lb driver. If the 1760 lb number you quoted above is from the door tag on the truck you're looking at and you're not planning to haul more than 500 lb of stuff in the truck with a couple of average-sized people in the cab it's probably within capacity but close. (I'm guessing the tongue weight ready for travel will be a little over 1k)

If you can talk a dealer into it, try to get an overnight test drive and do a real-world test. This should be easier with a used vehicle since they're not worried about miles on it. You're more likely to get them to agree if you don't mention the fact that you're going to hitch up your trailer, that sort of thing makes lawyers nervous.
The 3.73 axle with Limited slip is available with the max tow package. The HD payload package has the long bed only and with the upgraded axle (7 lugs) and HD springs.
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Old 05-29-2014, 08:04 AM   #18
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The 3.73 axle with Limited slip is available with the max tow package. The HD payload package has the long bed only and with the upgraded axle (7 lugs) and HD springs.
For Max Tow without HD Payload you can get the 3.73 E-locker, but NOT the limited slip. Two different animals.

The 3.73 LSD is configurable only with HD Payload, and as you said that's only with the longer bed (and wheelbase) for the configuration. 6.5' bed on a SuperCrew, 8' bed on a SuperCab or regular cab.
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For Max Tow without HD Payload you can get the 3.73 E-locker, but NOT the limited slip. Two different animals.

The 3.73 LSD is configurable only with HD Payload, and as you said that's only with the longer bed (and wheelbase) for the configuration. 6.5' bed on a SuperCrew, 8' bed on a SuperCab or regular cab.
Well unless options have changed, I am still driving a 2011 F150 ecoboost with 3.73 max tow and limited slip.
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Well unless options have changed, I am still driving a 2011 F150 ecoboost with 3.73 max tow and limited slip.
I don't know if they had a 6-lug 3.73 LSD in 2011 or not, I wasn't looking at new trucks then, but for the '13 and '14 (and I *think* the '12 but I wouldn't bet a mortgage payment on it) you can only get the "B6" 3.73 limited-slip in the 7-lug HD-Payload version, and trucks without HD Payload could get the "L6" electronic-locking 3.73 diff with 6 lugs. Have a look at your door tag under the "Axle" heading and see which code it has.
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We have a 2012 EB 27'. I tow with a 2013 Ram 3500. Overkill- yes. However the EB can take a heavier load, and we fill our truck. A 150 could be fine in Florida flats, but the mountains you will see it strain. What is peace of mind and safety, balanced this will how many miles you expect to tow, and where.
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Oh boy. I posted a similar question last year when I was trying to decide…100 people, 122 different opinions. What I learned is that a wide variety of solutions will work very well. SO at some point you have to address how you personally think about safety, comfort, margins of error, etc.

For me, that ended up directing me to the GMC 2500 diesel for our International Sterling 27FB. Some considerations for me: we added the ProPride hitch--200 more pounds, a lot of it on the hitch (i.e., not carried by WD), solar panels plus 2 additional AGM batteries, and finally living in the mountains I wanted the extra power.

We have a bit over 3,500 miles on the rig and I couldn't be happier. Plenty of power, plenty of additional hauling capacity, and most importantly for me--mental confidence/peace of mind. BTW--the ProPride hitch is amazing and worth every penny.

Good luck with your decision.
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The 3.73 axle with Limited slip is available with the max tow package. The HD payload package has the long bed only and with the upgraded axle (7 lugs) and HD springs.
I have been looking at some of the literature re: the HD payload package. It appears that the package is intended for slide-in camper applications, but I can understand the need to increase payload capacity for trailer towing (i.e. additional equipment in the bed). For example, see page 12 here:
https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas...FLRVTT_gde.pdf

So far in my nationwide search for an appropriate F-150, I've only seen *one* of these 7-lug vehicles available used. It's a rarity in the used vehicle market. It's not that I couldn't use the extra payload capacity, it's just difficult to find a truck available with the HD Payload package.

Thanks to all for your advice. No final decision yet, but I am leaning to finding a 3.73 with the Max Tow Package. However, it has been surprisingly difficult to find this option combination in a Lariat.
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Initially tried to use my 2007 Mercedes ML320 CDI diesel. It had the power, but the weight specs were close. I was all legal on the numbers coming home from the dealership empty with the 2013 25FB International Serenity with a Hensley hitch. Loaded for camping, the scales reported I had an overloaded front axle and the GVW was exceeded. Thus we ended up with our Dodge.

We crossed the CAT scales at 18,860 pounds with everything loaded for a test run on our first camping trip with the new 31' Classic. No axle or tire ratings were exceeded. I now know that carrying less stuff will be okay.

Really crunch some real numbers before signing the vehicle contract. Pencil and paper are far cheaper than buying the wrong vehicle.

We learned that lesson after buying the wrong initial Airstream for us. But that is another long story...
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Hi, I tried the Build Your Own Truck on the Ford site but couldn't get the max payload with any option that I tried. Everything that I tried kept changing the bed length, the engine choice, or the diff ratio to things that I didn't want. Never found the choice for Max Payload.
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Hi, and John can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think everyone should know this; His Ford Eco-Boost F-150 had a pitiful 1200 lb payload. My Navigator has a payload of 1600 lbs. Being that I'm considering buying an Eco-Boost F-150 to replace my Lincoln I will make sure that the payload is higher than what I have now. At John's cost, I think we should all have learned from this.
Bob's correct, if I could have picked up a Navigator with EcoBoost I would have done so!

Just makes no sense to me how a fully loaded Navigator has more max payload than a fully loaded 4-door truck...

The EcoBoost, along with all the 3.0 liter diesels are around 420lbs torque, and towing my 25FB with my diesel Touareg had no issues up mountains, etc. again, plenty engine, just not enough max payload.
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Hi, I tried the Build Your Own Truck on the Ford site but couldn't get the max payload with any option that I tried. Everything that I tried kept changing the bed length, the engine choice, or the diff ratio to things that I didn't want. Never found the choice for Max Payload.
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There is no such thing as Max Payload on the current F150. The package is HD Payload (please see several previous rants on the topic).

You'll see it on the packages list if you're within 1 change of a valid config, and it'll tell you what has to change.

If you want a King Ranch or Platinum or short-box with more payload, wait and see what the aluminum body brings on the 2015.
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Here is one:
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3.73 limited-slip diff

There is no such thing as Max Payload on the current F150. The package is HD Payload (please see several previous rants on the topic).

You'll see it on the packages list if you're within 1 change of a valid config, and it'll tell you what has to change.

If you want a King Ranch or Platinum or short-box with more payload, wait and see what the aluminum body brings on the 2015.
Hi, I tried two more times to get what I think that I want. I had to choose the Lariat instead of the XLT to get most of the options that I like. For some reason, unknown to me, I wasn't able to pick a color or a spray on bed liner. This got me up to $49,415 MSRP.
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