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Old 09-27-2018, 07:32 PM   #15
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Got to scale tonight with the bracket moved up one hole on the Equalizer so here's a recap of all the weights, comments welcomed!

With the trailer the bars on:
Steer Axle 3080
Drive Axel 3920
Trailer Axel 5340
Gross Weight 12340

With bars off:
Steer Axle 2700
Drive Axel 4160
Trailer Axel 5280
Gross Weight 12140

Original Weigh in before bracket was heightened:
Steer Axle 3060
Drive Axel 4150
Trailer Axel 5540
Gross Weight 12740

Truck Only:
Steer Axle 3180
Drive Axel 2760
Gross Weight 5950
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Old 09-28-2018, 06:36 AM   #16
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Nice job, doesn't look like you can get it dialed in much better than that.
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Old 09-28-2018, 01:16 PM   #17
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The numbers are looking great now!

Axle__________Truck Ratings__________Latest CAT Scale
Steer_________ 3750 lbs______________ 3080 lbs
Drive_________ 4050 lbs______________ 3920 lbs
GVWR________ 7050 lbs______________ 7000 lbs (Front+Rear)

p.s. The engineer in me is still curious about why your Trailer axle weight didn't increase? The adjustment you did reduced drive axle weight by 230 lbs (4150-->3920). I see that 20 lbs got transferred to front axle (3060-->3080) which is good but I was expecting the Trailer axle weight to go up as well but that seems to have come down instead which is strange to me.
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Old 09-29-2018, 04:48 AM   #18
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I'm a bit confused about why the three GCW values (total of truck plus trailer) numbers vary so much. Something changed. CAT scale passes I've done vary no more than 20 lbs between runs. To see hundreds of pounds difference suggests the load changed.

Setting that concern aside, the setup is looking better. I think both axles are under rated weight now, as is the total on the truck... right? What about "tongue weight"? Does Ford publish a limit and a method for calculating that?

A helpful method for setting up weight distribution is the Front Axle Load Restoration (FALR) approach. Using that method, you take the front axle value for the truck alone (3180) subtract the value of the front axle with the trailer on and bars off (2700) and determine how much load is removed (480). You then target weight distribution to restore at least 50% but no more than 100% of the lost weight. At 3080 you've restored 80% ( (3080-2700)/(3180-2700) ). That's a good solution assuming the differences in GVW can be accounted for.
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Old 09-30-2018, 02:24 PM   #19
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I'm not the weight Po-po and am only trying to help, before anyone beats me up.

I don't know if you weighed "loaded for bear" meaning, all that you will carry in passengers, pets, water, bikes, coolers, etc., etc. on both trips to the scales.

It is my understanding that maximum ratings are to be considered before adding WDH. Because, that weight, although re-distributed, is still there. Which means you are over RAWR and probably GVWR.

It looks like "without bars" or with bars is 200# difference means you didn't weigh the disconnected bars on the "without" trip across the scales. True? Always weigh the disconnected bars.

With bars on, you transferred 140# to the trailer axle pair and 380# to the steer axle. That's more than I have ever needed to re-distribute to the steer axle. But, if you say that was it, I believe you.

Your tongue weight looks to be 920#.. but adding that 200# for the bars not weighed (if that is true) its 1120# and takes your GVWR to 7060#. Again, I am assuming things rather than knowing.

Odd that your original weight with bars is 600# higher, which is telling me you had less payload on the last trip to the scales. Also odd that the scale shows 3180 + 2760 = 5950 when its actually 5940...minor point for sure.

Note: a lot of people fail to realize that weight added into the bed of the truck behind the rear axle looks and acts the same as trailer tongue weight.

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Old 09-30-2018, 04:29 PM   #20
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The original weigh-in in bold had two additional kids at about 220 lbs, a dog 35 lbs, 3 bikes mounted on the tonneau cover 115 lbs, and a 1/2 tank of gas more of a 36 gallon tanks 120 lbs. In total that would be about 490 lbs.

That should have been made clear on the onset of this thread, so I'll hide my embarrassment behind the newbie moniker. That being said I do appreciate all the help and feedback. This weekend we'll be headed up to Door County Wisconsin and we'll loaded. I'll use that opportunity to do another weigh-in
with everything being equal.

Original Weigh in before bracket was heightened:
Steer Axle 3060
Drive Axel 4150
Trailer Axel 5540
Gross Weight 12740


With the trailer the bars on:
Steer Axle 3080
Drive Axel 3920
Trailer Axel 5340
Gross Weight 12340

With bars off:
Steer Axle 2700
Drive Axel 4160
Trailer Axel 5280
Gross Weight 12140

Truck Only:
Steer Axle 3180
Drive Axel 2760
Gross Weight 5950
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Old 09-30-2018, 04:46 PM   #21
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I don't know if you weighed "loaded for bear" meaning, all that you will carry in passengers, pets, water, bikes, coolers, etc., etc. on both trips to the scales. Correct, hence the above comments

It looks like "without bars" or with bars is 200# difference means you didn't weigh the disconnected bars on the "without" trip across the scales. True? Always weigh the disconnected bars. The bars were still attached to the hitch just not to the trailer.

With bars on, you transferred 140# to the trailer axle pair and 380# to the steer axle. That's more than I have ever needed to re-distribute to the steer axle. But, if you say that was it, I believe you. Not sure it would matter but the first weigh-in was not the same scale as the other three, but I wouldn't think that should matter.





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Old 10-01-2018, 05:44 AM   #22
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Different scales explains it. A few hundred # deviation is normal. CAT scale calibration method is a guarded secret but they guarantee to truckers if an inaccurate weight results in a fine they will make it good. I would imagine weight not placed on scale section centers would have deviation. Be safe
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