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Old 03-06-2014, 07:59 PM   #29
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Couldn't read the study as it's behind a pay wall. Most of these studies are flawed in some way. The most common is that they don't take into account the electricity needed to produce gasoline from crude oil. This one also lumps traditional hybrids in with pure EVs and PHEVs.

In addition, it misses the point of the future potential of electric propulsion vs the future of internal combustion. ICEs will always burn stuff and contribute to pollution where as EV's can be made cleaner as we make the grid cleaner.

While I enjoy Aitstreaming with my 3/4 ton Suburban, my daily driver is a Tesla Model S. I live in Oregon so a lot of the power I draw is hydro.
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Old 03-06-2014, 11:55 PM   #30
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In a previous life I worked for Mercedes and one the guys there said that the electric cars really would not save much of anything. Electricity and pollutants would remain the same.
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Quote: "...so a lot of the power I draw is hydro."

Electricity from hydro isn't necessarily a net benefit to the environment. Man-made facilities such as dams and reservoirs to produce hydroelectricity have a price on the environment too. The Great Dam being built in China is a current example.
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The big difference is that there will be less and less oil as time goes by, whereas solar and other renewable energy will always be there.

And while today we can't replace oil with solar, or other renewable sources of energy, If we want our children's children to not live in a new dark age, we better get moving and start exploring for the future.

The oil industry today reminds me of the Polish horsebreeding lobby in the 1920's and 30's, insisting there would always be a need for mounted soldiers. When the Germans invaded with tanks, all the Poles had in their arsenal was a brave but useless cavalry.

If I had the cash, I'd buy a Tesla tomorrow and keep a separate vehicle for towing.
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Old 03-07-2014, 06:21 AM   #33
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We need to be ready for when this comes along:


Seriously, it could happen.
(an unexpected "breakthrough").

Back in the late 1800's, in the earlier days of the oil industry, most of the sale of oil was for lighting. When they discovered oil in the south-central us, they weren't very pleased with what they found, because the crude oil had a high gasoline content. This was a waste product...a problem with which they had to deal, somehow. (other crude sources had much higher kerosene content, which is what they really wanted).
"What are we going to do with all this gasoline?" they thought.
That problem disappeared very quickly.
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