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Old 11-04-2015, 11:40 PM   #99
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Well, it looks like I owe everyone a great big apology. You are exactly right Tuco. The big three has never even come close to selling 500K trucks in one month. I was looking at the sales figure for each nameplate, which was only accurate for Ram. Here are the correct sales figures for each of the big three "truck" sales in October. Ford, 65,000. Chevy, 51,647. Ram, 43,749. GMC, 18,521. As you can see, GM is still selling more trucks than Ford when you combine both nameplates, the total is 70,168. I am sorry and apologize once again to everyone, especially you Avionstreamer! I promise you that these figures are correct as reported by the manufacturers.
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Old 11-16-2015, 06:58 PM   #100
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On the edge of making a decision that I only want to make once and be happy with it for the rest of my towing life (asking a lot I know!). Looks like it comes down to RAM 2500 with Cummings or Silverado 2500 Duramax. I'm told the Duramax is a gas engine block converted to diesel. Does this make any significant difference? Who ever knew that making a TV decision would be so agonizing! What's the consensus out there?
My cousin owns Cummins and it is a very good diesel.
I own a 2015 Duramax with Allison Transmission. Absolutely love it. Gets 14.7 mpg at 67mph towing 28' Flying Cloud. At 85mph it gets 11.2mpg. Smooth as silk at higher speeds.

The GMC Sierra HD is a better built truck than the RAM. The materials are a grade better. Engines for RAM and GMC both great. The US Army just picked the Duramax for its next Hummer replacement. That says quite a bit.
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Cummins is the best, less moving parts and more semis use that same 6 cylinder, just bigger sized than 8. More power and torque and just quality and less time in the shop
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Old 11-16-2015, 11:09 PM   #102
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My 2013 gmc 3/4-t is a dream to drive; since it is 4wd it requires the extra step getting in (the Little Woman has her own entry gymnastics that quite amuse) but otherwise it's the perfect haul vehicle. I researched "longevity" and GMC scored favorably overall. I previously had a 2002 F-150 that was trouble free, but was under powered when we upgraded to current AS. Hope this helps.
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My cousin owns Cummins and it is a very good diesel.
The US Army just picked the Duramax for its next Hummer replacement. That says quite a bit.
Got info on this? A link please? Not trying to debate you but just want to get info on the Army's choice
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Old 11-17-2015, 12:16 PM   #104
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Got info on this? A link please? Not trying to debate you but just want to get info on the Army's choice
The army goes cheap, they did use the gm 6.5 diesel which wouldn't pull your hat off your head, also they have to use the one they bailed out....
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Old 11-17-2015, 12:35 PM   #105
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I don't think it is fair to say that the Army picked the Duramax. They picked Oshkosh, one of three builders that submitted bids. Oshkosh went with the Duramax for their bid. The Cummins six cylinder wasn't offered by any bidder; another bid used the four cylinder Cummins. Apparently it met the hp and performance requirements.

The specs for these engines will not be as per the consumer models. Expect the Duramax to be derated for durability. The outgoing Hummer GM diesel had something like 170 hp.

There would have been a lot of evaluation criteria beyond simply the factory that produced the engine.
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Old 11-17-2015, 03:46 PM   #106
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The 6.5 in the hummer wasn't the civilian version either.
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Old 11-18-2015, 09:04 AM   #107
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I don't think it is fair to say that the Army picked the Duramax. They picked Oshkosh, one of three builders that submitted bids. Oshkosh went with the Duramax for their bid. The Cummins six cylinder wasn't offered by any bidder; another bid used the four cylinder Cummins. Apparently it met the hp and performance requirements.

The specs for these engines will not be as per the consumer models. Expect the Duramax to be derated for durability. The outgoing Hummer GM diesel had something like 170 hp.

There would have been a lot of evaluation criteria beyond simply the factory that produced the engine.
End of the day, this was a Gov't. bid contract; low bidder typically wins these unless no one else can meet the specification and Gov't. contracts can justify their choice. Otherwise, protests on the order from competitors would be the case.
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Not any more.

Very often these days the government "specifications" are tailored with a "winner" in mind.

Make no mistake, we are living in an era of unparalleled American cronyism.


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Not any more.

Very often these days the government "specifications" are tailored with a "winner" in mind.

Make no mistake, we are living in an era of unparalleled American cronyism.


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Hence Ford's " military grade"


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Old 11-20-2015, 09:38 AM   #110
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Not any more.

Very often these days the government "specifications" are tailored with a "winner" in mind.

Make no mistake, we are living in an era of unparalleled American cronyism.


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Well, have to agree with you there also!
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Eisenhower said "Beware the military industrial complex."

The bought and paid for politicians will cut food to kids programs to feed a military that is getting more bloated all the time and wastes money like there is no tomorrow - spending on the next gee whiz weapon system when the last one has yet to work with high cost over runs is nuts in my mind.

So choosing the next trunk company with carefully defined criteria that only fits one outfit is nothing new. No bid contracts come to mind in the not to distant past....

I prefer the inherent smoothness of a straight 6 to a V8 any day of the week.
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Duramax or Cummings Diesel?

The disease of cronyism and promotion of "special interests" has spread to all facets of government, unfortunately.

The responsibility for this ultimately rests on politicians and officials, no corrupt officials, no corruption.


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