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Old 07-31-2015, 06:50 AM   #29
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But it is a rough riding darned thing and 8 hours in it leaves you far more tired and beat up than the same number of hours in my buddy's Chevy 1500.
The coil spring suspension in the Ram 2500 is like riding in a car. It's GREAT. Our F-250 was like riding in a punching bag, but I could drive the Ram all day. I even considered taking it on a road trip last weekend, instead of my car. And I love my car. And the truck tows our trailer beautifully.

To the OP: I've said several times that if something happened to my car, I wouldn't mind driving the truck around town, despite its size, because it's just so comfortable. I would strongly recommend test driving a 2500.

One nice thing about the Cummins is that after it broke in, we started getting things like 22 mpg while solo at 65-70 mph on flat highways, and 15 mpg while towing. The fuel is still more expensive, and maintenance is more expensive, but great fuel mileage helps offset those costs, too.

I don't think you'd go wrong with a gas engine - certainly the maintenance is cheaper and it's cheaper to buy. We went with the diesel even though we don't use the truck that much (11 months in and we only have ~7600 miles on it), and we're happy we made that choice, but I don't think we'd regret the gas engine, either.
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Old 07-31-2015, 06:52 AM   #30
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CORRECTION - It's the Cummins that's available with only the 3.42 in a 2500. The gassers still have options for 3.73 and 4.10. If you want those in the Cummins you need to go with the 3500.
With 3500 SRW all I see is 3.42. Only choosing DRW allows 3.73 or 4.10. This is assuming Cummins/AISIN.

If buying 6.4 Hemi, I would buy 2500 with 68RFE and select 4.10 rear diff most likely. All I have read suggest that gear would offer better pulling power. Especially in mountains.

Only reason we were looking at 3500 was AISIN transmission. Which requires diesel. If buying gasser, we will get 2500. Looks like about $11k less expensive assuming so.


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Old 07-31-2015, 06:55 AM   #31
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With 3500 SRW all I see is 3.42. Only choosing DRW allows 3.73 or 4.10. This is assuming Cummins.
That sounds right. I guess I can't trust my memory on these configurations anymore.
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Old 07-31-2015, 06:55 AM   #32
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If you are going to be on the back roads and byways you aren't going to be driving at 70 mph freeway speeds where you need so much truck. You'll be doing 55 - or even less - and 3/4 or even a 1/2 ton will suffice.
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Old 07-31-2015, 07:17 AM   #33
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Sitting at near redline for long minutes is a good sound. It's doing exactly what it is designed to do. Full use of the powerband.

I read things like this and it's confusing. And counterintuitive to say the least. Maybe I'm over conservative. I'm not the guy that does burn outs. Always like speed and owned a few fast cars, 73 vette, Z28, but never thought a motor at redline for any period of time was good. Is that the norm with trucks towing? Maybe I'm more backwards than I realized.

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Old 07-31-2015, 07:23 AM   #34
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If you are going to be on the back roads and byways you aren't going to be driving at 70 mph freeway speeds where you need so much truck. You'll be doing 55 - or even less - and 3/4 or even a 1/2 ton will suffice.

True. There is nowhere in the Smoky Mountains I will exceed 55-60 mph. It's 3-4 hours of 70 mph interstate on way, but I'm not too concerned with that. It's the 1-2 hours of twisty and often steep grades I'm thinking of, 35-45 mph often, 50 mph tops.

But we do plan on taking a 2-3 week trip out west each summer. I don't want to be overly limited on these national parks type trips either.


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Old 07-31-2015, 07:36 AM   #35
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I just don't understand the need for such a huge TV.
Just don't get it.
I don't have the facts and figures at my finger tips here but would guess that the 3500 diesel you are looking at has twice the towing capacity needed to pull a 27' trailer.
That big truck with 80 psi in the tires and heavy duty suspension is going to be a behemoth to drive and a dreadnought to ride in.
It would beat you, your trailer and the contents to death.
I've been driving 3/4 ton pickups for 30 years.
My daily driver is a 2500 HD Chevy with the 6.0 gasser.
I pull a 12K trailer with it frequently - have pulled it all over the country.
It does just fine for power, handling and control of the load.
But it is a rough riding darned thing and 8 hours in it leaves you far more tired and beat up than the same number of hours in my buddy's Chevy 1500.
I will always have a pickup. But I do long for the day when I retire and can downsize to a lighter pickup.
It's your money, your call. But I would suggest you seriously consider whether you really need such a gargantuan truck to pull an Airstream.


Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. I'm not sure what I'm doing at this point. Felt good to get that out. Haha. The only reason I considered the 3500 is because it was required to get the AISIN transmission. That simple. But if going with 6.4 Hemi, I would definitely get the 2500. Test driving the 2500 Hemi and 3500 diesel the other day, both felt great. But I am sure hours later there would be a more noticeable difference.


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Old 07-31-2015, 08:38 AM   #36
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Since you drove both,hook up your trailer and test them out, the diesel will be going down the road at 1600 rpm.
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Don't have trailer. Buying truck first. Then Airstream.
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Old 07-31-2015, 10:21 AM   #38
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It's a dilemma. A vehicle capable of doing many different tasks doesn't do any of them exceptionally well, and a vehicle designed to perform a particular task exceptionally well is lousy at performing the others.

The reason why in most of us who tow RV's have more than one vehicle.
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Old 07-31-2015, 10:26 AM   #39
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Dan, another advantage of the diesel, especially towing, and especially in the mountains is the exhaust brake. You only get some engine braking with the 6.4.

By the way, have a lookie here: New Chrysler, Jeep, Dodge, RAM Cars for Sale in Caldwell, ID | Dennis Dillon Chrysler Jeep Dodge Dealer in Caldwell serving Boise and Nampa
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I just don't understand the need for such a huge TV.
Just don't get it.
I don't have the facts and figures at my finger tips here but would guess that the 3500 diesel you are looking at has twice the towing capacity needed to pull a 27' trailer.
That big truck with 80 psi in the tires and heavy duty suspension is going to be a behemoth to drive and a dreadnought to ride in.
It would beat you, your trailer and the contents to death.
I've been driving 3/4 ton pickups for 30 years.
My daily driver is a 2500 HD Chevy with the 6.0 gasser.
I pull a 12K trailer with it frequently - have pulled it all over the country.
It does just fine for power, handling and control of the load.
But it is a rough riding darned thing and 8 hours in it leaves you far more tired and beat up than the same number of hours in my buddy's Chevy 1500.
I will always have a pickup. But I do long for the day when I retire and can downsize to a lighter pickup.
It's your money, your call. But I would suggest you seriously consider whether you really need such a gargantuan truck to pull an Airstream.
My truck weighs over 7,000 lbs and I couldn't imagine towing my trailer with less truck. Not only that, at 10k gross, most half tons are either insufficient, or are right at their towing capacity with such a trailer. And lighter trucks will never have the capacity to control a trailer like a heavier truck can.

And I will never, as a matter of practice, tow my trailer with anything less than a 3/4 truck. YMMV.
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Old 07-31-2015, 10:52 AM   #41
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Does my intended usage warrant going with diesel?

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I read things like this and it's confusing. And counterintuitive to say the least. Maybe I'm over conservative. I'm not the guy that does burn outs. Always like speed and owned a few fast cars, 73 vette, Z28, but never thought a motor at redline for any period of time was good. Is that the norm with trucks towing? Maybe I'm more backwards than I realized.



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Engineers put these things together such that full use of rTed power is expected. I realize a lot of you guys are young, but this was the norm through the 1990s. Big block motor cranking hard for long minutes. I distinctly recall watching the fuel gauge on Dads 8.2L Cadillac wavering its way downward on both Raton and La Veta passes one day at wide open throttle. But that was also a low-rpm motor. Only lasted 190k miles in his service, but the next owner hauled his classic car enclosed trailer another 50k miles last we heard.

Still, cruise rpm was 2,700-rpm or higher. In those days one geared to run just below peak torque. There were no overdrive gears in an automatic.

Today there may be two or more. And peak TQ comes in at a higher rpm. Gas motors MUST rev to produce power. It's the nature of the beast.

A good long pull works the kinks out, so to speak. Today it's easier for these engineers to keep temps within spec. And engine oil is literally, unbelievably better than back then. Even 1999.

A truck that cannot do this job is faulty. And the work is what is expected. Nothing to be concerned over. Anyone who has had to run machinery appreciates that we no longer have watch gauges so carefully.

Today's gas motors are so good they may as well be electric motors. Unstoppable.
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Don't have trailer. Buying truck first. Then Airstream.

This is reverse order. Trailer first. Some have found out that with their proposed TV loading that TW put them past axle/tire limits. Not your problem unless you insist on carrying a half cord of barely seasoned hardwood on every trip.

I'd have 16" wheels and Duravis 250 tires waiting along with Centramatic balancers. Longacre Racing calibrated tire pressure gauge.

Dealer can haul it to your location. Setting a ProPride means a bit of time as with any hitch. See that thread. A good level driveway. Etc. Load the trailer with full fresh water, propane and regular gear aboard, first. Then do a good rough-in of things. With the PP it is about setting the stinger height and tilt before heading off to the scales.

No reason not to order that now. Sean also has Sherline TW gauges. Get the 2000-lb model.

Really not critical as to order, but it's partly attitude on how to treat them.

Genuinely big TW and possibly very heavy truck loading could push you to the heavier (but more expensive over the long term) truck.

Nailing down solid numbers for an adjusted empty weight TT can be revealing.
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