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Old 08-07-2015, 10:55 AM   #155
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Khollister, I tend to agree with you, except on the gas engines,I don't think ford is very impressive.....
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Old 08-07-2015, 12:58 PM   #156
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It's all in what you like.There are people on the Dodge forums with problems and the Chevy forums with problems.There are always problems with automobiles ( and people who drive them)But I have had two 6.7 diesels and had no trouble but I trade every 3 years.I am not a brand guy.I just buy what works and costs the least to drive and use.


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Old 08-07-2015, 04:02 PM   #157
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We are hoping to travel extensively out west in a few years when I retire and I think a camper shell may be the best solution for pick up bed storage. We like our Tundra but the payload is skimpy and if I add a 200lb camper shell I'm more over payload and I'm sure we will need to pack a few more items for long trips. So we are looking at 3/4T for payload.

After test driving a Ram 2500 and Silverado 2500HD I don't think I would like the experience if they were gas powered so its diesel. We've never owned a diesel so rather than take a chance on a used one its new for us. To keep the cost down we are looking at less trimmed out models.

I've excluded Ford mainly because the XLT has outdate interiors and we don't like the fold down front seat console. None of the units in stock around me have rear view cameras. The F250 CC SWB only has a 26 gal tank.

The Duramax was at the top of my list but as in my previous posts we found the seats not comfortable enough.

Ram is the last choice. The only reason we are skeptical of Ram is the bad experience we had with a couple of Chrysler mini vans 15 years ago and the fact they are now part of Fiat. Fiat cars in the 70s were junk. I also don't like that Ram is assembled in Saltillo, Mexico. If BMW, Honda, Toyota, Kia, Mecedes and others build/assemble here so could Chrysler.

We are not in a rush but it would be nice to be able to knock out a could portion of a loan while I'm still working.

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Old 08-07-2015, 04:17 PM   #158
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One thing about a gas truck is that a person never HAS to fuel where there is diesel spilled all over the ground....

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Old 08-07-2015, 05:05 PM   #159
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One thing about a gas truck is that a person never HAS to fuel where there is diesel spilled all over the ground....

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Or all over the nozzle. Gas is definitely a cleaner experience.
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Old 08-07-2015, 05:19 PM   #160
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As to diesel or gas, you don't need diesel and you can't really justify it on cost unless you are piling up the miles far in excess of what most of us tow. However, I am on my second diesel Ram (05, now a 14) because I greatly prefer towing with a diesel. The available torque, ability to climb grades at speed without the engine screaming at 5000 RPM, range, exhaust brake and ability for low stress refueling at truck lanes are all part of why the $9K cost premium is worth it to me.

As to brand, I would still not touch a Ford diesel. While the 6.7's are way better than the 6.4's were, the Powerstroke forums are still full of powertrain issues, primarily turbo failures and water in fuel issues that Ford denies warranty coverage for. I personally ran across 2 6.7 drivers this year that suffered turbo failures.

I did test drive a couple F250's before buying my Ram 2500 last year and I felt the new chassis/suspension design on the Ram's resulted in a superior ride, notably the relative lack of frame flex when going over things like speed bumps or potholes. Ford does have some cool features (tailgate step, retractable mirrors, etc). YMMV of course.

I didn't personally consider a GMC/Chevy due to not liking the exterior styling (square wheel wells) or the interior at the time. I also was not happy with GM for other reasons. However, my impression is the Duramax is a reliable motor. The only thing I would be slightly concerned about is I believe they are using the Bosch CP4 lift pump (like Ford) rather than the time-proven CP3 that is in the Ram/Cummins.

The exhaust brake in the new Rams is outstanding, more effective than what I have experienced in the Ford. Putting the transmission in Tow/Haul mode, turning on the exhaust brake to Auto and setting cruise control is a remarkable experience - I have gone down some pretty steep, long grades without ever touching the brakes.

As far as transmissions, I never had a problem with the auto in my 05 and the 68RFE in my new truck operates perfectly from what I can tell also. I actually thought the 15 F250 6.7 I drove shifted worse (less smooth) than the Ram.

My opinion is if you want diesel, buy a Ram or GMC based on what seems most comfortable and or attractive. If you go gas, all 3 are in play.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I appreciate it.


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Old 08-07-2015, 05:20 PM   #161
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Curious what this means. Thanks.

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Old 08-07-2015, 05:29 PM   #162
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Curious what this means. Thanks.



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Fuel soaked concrete around pumps at truck stops . . which could be the only place to buy diesel.

Disposable shoe covers and gloves are a handy way to minimize this.
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Old 08-07-2015, 05:30 PM   #163
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Spilled gasoline evaporates. Spilled diesel leaves an oil messy.
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Old 08-07-2015, 05:38 PM   #164
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I always liked tracking diesel in on my carpet. It smells GREAT!

Even diesel pumps at gas stations frequently have fuel spilled around them.
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Old 08-07-2015, 05:46 PM   #165
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Does my intended usage warrant going with diesel?

I own two DMaxes right now. One I drove as my POV for a couple of years. I bought two in the same year because everyone was saying how great they were and I wanted one! ...

Earlier this year I rebuilt the Turbo and changed out the FICM, it runs ok, about 170,000 miles on it.

I had already replaced the head gaskets a couple of years ago.

The other truck has about 70,000 miles on it, it is parked with an exploded piston... (Which destroyed the block).

When they run right, they do pull though.

My V10 Fords have proven much more reliable and cheaper to keep running.

Anyway, my pop bought a 6.0 L diesel the same year, well it made the DMaxes look mighty good by comparison.

He also bought a Dodge Cummins a couple years later, other than a set of failed injectors it has been very reliable.

Just my experiences, your mileage may vary.
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Old 08-07-2015, 06:10 PM   #166
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We are hoping to travel extensively out west in a few years when I retire . . .

We are not in a rush but it would be nice to be able to knock out a could portion of a loan while I'm still working.

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Why not just sock a few dollars away in the meantime. Your ideal tow vehicle is probably on the drawing boards or the test track. What I'm reading here is the present crop is loaded with compromises.
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Old 08-07-2015, 07:00 PM   #167
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Old 08-10-2015, 12:46 AM   #168
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As for the 2500 vs 3500 question, I preferred the Ram 3500 SRW. It was around $150 more than the 2500, and I much prefer the Hotchkiss leaf spring to the coil springs on the 2500. It rides like a Caddy! Especially compared to our old '01 Dodge 2500 which was set up (and rode like) a farm truck. We went with the Laramie trim level, so the leather seats have bum warmers and tushy coolers built in. I can't speak to the transmission issue inasmuch as I bought the 6 speed stick shift. Nothing beats the sound and feel of a diesel shifting through its gears when *you* want it to! Coupled with the Pickup Pack and bed roller on the 8' box, I may be biased, but based upon its 3700 mile maiden voyage last month with our '14 27FB Classic, I believe I have found the perfect towing machine! ;-)
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