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Old 03-14-2017, 08:00 PM   #1
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Does anyone tow with BMW X5 Hybrid (Xdrive40e)?

We are thinking of replacing our 2012 X5 diesel, to tow the 23D. Has anyone experience with the Hybrid gas-electric, BMW or otherwise?

What kind of mileage do you get on longer trips? Have you ever been low on battery and found the torque inadequate? What do you like and not like about the hybrid power train?

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Old 03-14-2017, 08:42 PM   #2
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It would seem improbable that after the X5d, you would be happy with an alternate power plant. But, the 40e is not a model I have researched and it might prove viable. Unfortunately, the F15 has a few other issues worth consideration with respect to tongue weight and hitch design availability. There is supposed to be an Invisihitch design that may support weight distribution. If so, it may have higher load ratings than the current 6000/600 which the OEM has. Still it will be interesting to follow any thoughts available on the issue.

An electric would certainly be fun, give appropriate range. Saw an I8 on the street this week. Very hard to ignore such a fine looking vehicle. Pat
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Old 03-14-2017, 10:22 PM   #3
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none of the euro vehicles recommend a weight distribution add on. this is because of euro rules that date back 20 years.
this is a std euro disclaimer to account for outdated trailer rules in Europe.

most of the mid scale SUV and all higher end three row SUV are more than capable . go to any of the audi, vw, BMW, or merc forums and read posts by all those that hav added these hitches with success over the years
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Old 03-15-2017, 11:36 AM   #4
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BMW forums are definitely not the place to look for information on a serious hitch setup. I am saying this from my experience. Even though I am towing Jayco trailer, I received the most valuable information here on AS forum. 99%+ of people towing in America do not thing that German SUV are capable to tow any larger trailer. Some of those 1% are here...

I have never heard about anybody towing BMW hybrid. What is the payload of 40e? It has heavy batteries on board. Is the towing capacity the same as for other X5s? Is it rated to tow 7,700 lbs in Europe?
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@Charlie, the Can-Am RV Center in London, ON, has been customizing hitches on cars for years enabling cars tow travel trailers. They are also an authorized dealer for selling and servicing Airstream. In addition to this Air Forum, you may want to check out the Can-Am website and give them a phone call for expert advice about a hitch and what a Hybrid gas-electric is capable of towing. http://www.canamrv.ca/
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The hybrid X5 has the same towing load limits as does the diesel X5. The hybrid torque (with both gas and electric) is lower, at 336 lb-ft vs 413 lb-ft for the diesel, but more horsepower: 308 hp vs 255 hp for the diesel. A possible issue is that when batteries are depleted, the hybrid figures (gas only) become 260 lb-ft and 240 hp. The hybrid uses your route in the Nav software to forecast and manage battery charge (the gas engine can charge batteries, as does downhill or braking - the motor becomes a generator).

I am looking for someone's experience with how well this charging works in actual towing experience, out west in the mountains. How often might we be inconvenienced by low torque due to battery depletion when faced with a steep mountain pass?

Our 2012 X5 diesel has been an amazing tow car for 5 years - its prodigious torque is overkill. We are looking at the hybrid for dramatic emission reduction (it is our daily drive around town), understanding that it represents a compromise in pulling power for towing.

The loading and hitch-reinforcement are another issue, if the hitch attachment differs from the 2012 diesel model. Experience here would be welcome. I have inquired on this topic to Andy Thompson at CanAm RV.
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Sovereign85, thanks. Yes, I have already inquired via email. They were very forthcoming with advice when we upgraded to the 23D from the 19', towing with the 2012 X5 diesel.

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We just bought a gently used 2010 BMW X5 with M option and will eventually get it set up by Can AM so the WDH can be used. This thread is an interesting read though re the Hybrid potential.
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I am suggesting keeping the diesel and still helping the environment.

Daimler is convinced that MB cannot meet future CO2 emissions standards without diesel engines. So if they thought the hybrid was the best future, diesels would be phased out quickly.

Neste MY Renewable Diesel is a low-carbon drop-in renewable diesel fuel enabling up to 80% lower greenhouse gas emissions throughout the life cycle of the fuel compared to conventional petroleum diesel.

I think you will start finding renewable diesel across the county, not just in CA, in the very near future.
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Daimler is convinced that MB cannot meet future CO2 emissions standards without diesel engines. So if they thought the hybrid was the best future, diesels would be phased out quickly.
Diesel and hybrid are not exclusive of each other. One can design and build a diesel hybrid.
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It appears that hybrid has a lower towing capacity in Europe, i.e. 6,000 lbs vs. 7,700 lbs for regular X5. Just something to consider. BMW X5 (gas and diesel) is downrated to 6,000 lbs only in the US.

Zul. Anhängelast (12 %) gebremst/ungebremst kg 2700

http://www.presseportal.de/showbin.h...-xdrive40e.pdf
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It appears that hybrid has a lower towing capacity in Europe, i.e. 6,000 lbs vs. 7,700 lbs for regular X5. Just something to consider. BMW X5 (gas and diesel) is downrated to 6,000 lbs only in the US.

Zul. Anhängelast (12 %) gebremst/ungebremst kg 2700

http://www.presseportal.de/showbin.h...-xdrive40e.pdf
I assume the difference is due to added battery weight in the hybrid. Our International 23D grosses at 6000lb. I am yet to learn how the hitch on the hybrid differs, if any, from the diesel, or whether load brace modification is needed.
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I am suggesting keeping the diesel and still helping the environment.

Daimler is convinced that MB cannot meet future CO2 emissions standards without diesel engines. So if they thought the hybrid was the best future, diesels would be phased out quickly.

Neste MY Renewable Diesel is a low-carbon drop-in renewable diesel fuel enabling up to 80% lower greenhouse gas emissions throughout the life cycle of the fuel compared to conventional petroleum diesel.

I think you will start finding renewable diesel across the county, not just in CA, in the very near future.
I am not familiar with this fuel, but I doubt I could burn it in a 2017 BMW X5. Supposedly, the VW debacle has dampened the market for diesel cars in the US? Perhaps I need to learn more, but I think the hybrid would reduce our local emissions to near zero (hydroelectric power), but maybe not reduce emissions from traveling or towing longer distances.
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We are thinking of replacing our 2012 X5 diesel, to tow the 23D. Has anyone experience with the Hybrid gas-electric, BMW or otherwise?
Hi Charlie:

Hybrids are great in city driving since the generator is used for braking. And that means that your batteries get recharged. But hybrids add very little in highway driving as they are mostly dead weight.

If you plan to tow in the city, with lots of stop and go's, then a hybrid, with the awesome torque, would be great. But if you will be towing on a highway, then you'll be driving with dead batteries and you won't like the torque of the base engine.

Just my 2 cents, Dave
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