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Old 04-28-2016, 08:18 PM   #29
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I toy with a first gen CTD. I am looking into a 4th Gen just so I can get a better trans, air conditioning, and airbags with better crash safety features.

Come on over to the friendly forums of dieseltruckresource.com for some help with your fuel mod needs.

I have never got a load of bad diesel, but then again we burn a lot of it here in the west and it never sits log in the tank. When pumping diesel shy off of the big nozel. Big nozel pumps are for big rigs with better fuel filters, and this the service stations have fewer filters. The bigger fuel flow also stirs sediments up in the tank more.

Given the cost of the diesel upgrade, I too pondered a Hemi, but then I thought about all the mountain passes I want to cross.
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Old 04-29-2016, 02:30 AM   #30
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When we upgraded the 2012 Ram 2500HD Cummins fuel tank with a 54 gallon under bed Titan fuel tank that reused the stock fuel pump, we added a Cummins branded water separator beside the tank. The fuel line continued to the stock filter/water separator on the side of the engine and then to a Cummins branded two micron fuel filter before going to the full rail.

For additional engine and transmission longevity, we added FS2500 filters for both the engine oil and transmission fluid. We also increased the size of the differential covers to hold more oil. The cooling fins on the new covers help dispel the heat. Both differential covers and the transmission pan were also modified for a temperature probe along with one in the exhaust manifold for the EGT sensor. The Insight Edge monitor displays EGT, inches of boost, fuel rail pressure, along with transmission oil and rear differential oil temperatures.

This system allows me to monitor all the critical temperatures as they rise during long mountain climbs.
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Old 04-29-2016, 07:20 AM   #31
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I have close to a million miles with various diesels I have owned.
I agree with the previous poster in that i have NEVER had a bad batch of diesel fuel and never found more than a drop or 2 of water in the filter canister at filter change time.

On the other hand I prefer to fill at the "big nozzle" pumps because the fuel flow at the car/RV pumps is frustratingly slow when pumping 60 or 70 gallons of fuel.

It should be noted that the 2013 and up CTD has 2 fuel filters, One on the frame which also serves as a water seperator and an even finer one at the engine.

They are expensive, about $100.00 for the pair for the Mopar filters from a discount source but they do the job. at the 15000 mile change interval the front filter is hard to distinguish from a new one.

A word of caution, If the dealer is changing the filter you will likely only get the front one as the rear seems to be designated as a "water seperator"
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Old 04-29-2016, 07:29 AM   #32
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When pumping diesel shy off of the big nozel. Big nozel pumps are for big rigs with better fuel filters, and this the service stations have fewer filters. The bigger fuel flow also stirs sediments up in the tank more.
I have to disagree with this statement. Back in the late 90's I worked as a project manager building Speedway truckstops and convenience stores. The only difference between the big truck islands and the car island is the size of the submersible pump at the underground storage tank.
The small islands get a 1 or 2 hp submersible pump while the tank for the big nozzle gets a 5 hp submersible pump. All gets filtered. Corporate fuel stations typically have a maintenance schedule for changing out filters.
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Old 04-29-2016, 10:21 AM   #33
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I've filled my VW Bug TDI at the same truck island for over 2 yrs. no filter issues. I drain the old filter to inspect and virtually no crud.
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Old 04-29-2016, 10:26 AM   #34
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Sorry but just because one thing was true for one supplier almost 3 decades ago, doesn't mean it is true today.

Here is a quote from CRC September 2014 Report on Diesel Storage and Handling:

"Many types of filters exist for removing contaminants from diesel fuel. Typically, diesel fuel is not filtered until it gets to the point of delivery to the end user, though some refiners and/or distributors may filter fuel upstream of the end user. Almost all service station diesel fuel is filtered today. Historically, the standard micron porosity rating for diesel dispenser filters has been 30 microns (nominal) rating. Studies have shown21, 23 that the use of such coarse filters does little to clean up diesel fuel. They are merely protection to catch bigger pieces of debris, such as coarser rust particles or sand.
In recent years, many retailers have moved to 10-micron porosity filters. Most high flow dispensers, such as those used at truck stops, still use 30-micron porosity filters due to flow rate concerns. As of 2014, NCWM is considering a filtration recommendation of nominal 10-micron porosity filters for passenger car and light duty diesel dispensers at service stations"

I am sorry to be arguementitive. Nevertheless, having all of the info to keep your diesel truck investment in top running order is paramount. So maybe the big nozel is filtered to the 10 micron level at one particular station, why chance it that it is not?

Also, one other consideration. If the service station is getting a fuel delivery, then pass on by. When holding tanks are being filled sediments on the bottom (water and iron) are mixed up and have a likelier chance of finding their way to the nozel. Also, the higher flow pumps of the big nozel will have the same effects.

For a Diesel engine, cleanliness is godliness. Do everything possible to keep it clean. i think I will go change my fuel filter now just cause.
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Old 04-29-2016, 10:27 AM   #35
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Full report here:

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Old 04-29-2016, 11:41 AM   #36
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Don't fuel tanks pump from the bottom of the tanks? Isn't the fuel run through filtration before reaching the pumps? I'm a new diesel owner, 2015 Ram 2500, and have seen members mentioning to only refuel at stations that heavy turnover.

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Old 04-29-2016, 12:47 PM   #37
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Diesels stink.
The fuel stinks and the exhaust stinks.
And they're Noisy.
A gasser is far more pleasant to run. And to get all the longevity out of a diesel to make the original purchase price work out you have to run them like for 15 years. But who wants to drive a pickup that old?
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Old 04-29-2016, 01:07 PM   #38
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After reading the info in the link in post 35 I am now scared to start the truck and leave the campground. ( not really)

So far I have not had any fuel related problems with the 2013 but am only at 27K. I have not seen much in the way of problems on the diesel forums either so I am inclined to think the factory filtration on the newer trucks is adequate.
The pictures I have seen of cut open filters would also lead one to believe the stuff is pretty decent coming from the nozzle.

The 99 truck in my signature with 577,000 miles on it still runs well and still has the original injectors. The original injection pump lasted 458,000.

I have never used additives in the fuel when the 99 was my primary truck so indications are the fuel must be pretty decent.

Now that truck is driven less I do use a biocide in it and also in my old backhoe but have never had a problem with algae.

While it never hurts to be cautious I think it reasonable to assume that the fuel suppliers are going to be pretty careful to put out a good product if for no other reasons than to avoid lawsuits as dead trucks line the side of the road
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Old 04-29-2016, 02:11 PM   #40
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Sorry to stir up sediment. I just came across this thread and thought I could provide some insights into how I have been able to keep my Cummins worry free for 25 years. It mad me sad that someone was concidering swapping a basically new Cummins because of fuel issues.

Also, I am not afraid to drink from the big nozzle. I just know I may have to hit the fuel water separator and I keep an extra filter just in case.

I agree that additives are not necessary. I do like them though to make the engine quieter since the fuel has less lubricity do to the ultra low sulphur process.

Lastly, beautiful smell is in the nose of the beholder. I love the smell of diesel.
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Talking I think The Hemi Would Do Fine

I have a FC30 and pull it with a Ford F250 with the V10. I initially pulled a 32' fifth wheel, then a Safari 25. We have pulled the fifth wheel and the AS 25 to Oregon and back and the AS 30 to Colorado for two summers. I have pulled over the highest paved passes in Colorado and, while I may be down to 40MPH near the top, I made it just a few minutes later than the smoking diesels that blew by me. On the way down, I use the transmission to slow down a bit, but have never had over-heated brakes, etc.

I am in the process of choosing another truck to replace my 14-year old Ford F250 and have narrowed the field to a Ford 6.2L V8, or the RAM 6.4 Hemi. I think either will be fine for me.

I laugh at those who talk about the great mileage the diesels get. I generally get between 10 and 11 mpg while towing, as opposed to those who get 16 mpg. Have you ever calculated how much gasoline you can buy for the $8-10 thousand premium you pay for that big D?

When the diesels whiz by me as I drive 60 MPH, they probably don't realize they would be blowing by me if I, also, had a PowerStroke or Cummins. I'm just one of those damn 60mph drivers!
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Our deal was we needed more axle and payload capacity than my 2007 Mercedes ML320 CDI diesel could provide. In passing, it had more payload than some of the F150 models mentioned here. It currently is towing our 23D with aplomb.

So the jump was to a ĺ ton truck.

We designed the turbo for the 5.7L Cummins and it was originally made in Huddersfield, UK at Holset Engineering, our first International licensee. I had a big Cummins in my farm tri-axle that scaled 66,000 pounds with 600 bushels of corn aboard. It was very reliable. I am predisposed to the Cummins engine brand. I do know that there has been a checkered history with the Cummins V8 designs, but the straight six is bullet proof and is inherently the smoothest engine design possible.

Ford's diesel engine history has been less than stellar. There were recent issues with the Duramax in the GM world. I was totally unexcited by the sheet metal design for both Ford and GM, so that left the Ram 2500HD Cummins as my choice.

I did not want the DEF problems, so found a very end of model year 2012 model with everything and more than I would have specified if I could have ordered one and it was at a get it off the lot price as the 2013s were on premise.

Hey, we like what we like. That is why Bressler and Howard Johnson made dozens of flavors of ice cream, bound to be one for everyone. There are lots of truck choices and everyone gets to buy their favorite of the day. Sometimes it was not quite what we expected, but that is life.

I made my choice and have the privilege to live with that choice. I hope all the folks are happy with their choices as well.

Experience his the greatest teacher out there. I have had a few I would not care to repeat in my life, like a motorcycle accident I survived in 1990.
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