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Old 03-05-2016, 11:03 AM   #57
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Rodster, wasn't that Ike run the one with the 6.2l 6 speed? If not can you point me to the 8 speed version?
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Old 03-05-2016, 11:23 AM   #58
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Here is the 8 speed version. The 42% is with 8 speed.

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Torque at a road speed alone isn't a good term. Torque is rated at an engine rpm. Road speed is different in each gear at peak engine torque (rpm)
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WARNING VW fanboy here..

I think the 3.0L are also implicated in the VW scandal as the Porshe Cayennes and Audi's have a stop sale on them.

I think that VW should not be allowed to sell ANY cars in NA until it fixes the problem. Then we would see some real speed in getting this fixed.

You can keep your $600.00 15,000 km oil changes thanks.

Back to the OP who is looking at purchasing a domestic P/U truck diesel....not a VW.

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It could be all confirmation bias on my part, but my VAG diesel is doing fine.

If you don't like VAG and have strong feelings about Dieselgate, there's Mercedes, BMW options. There's the domestic fiatchrysler powerstroke RAM 3.0 option in a pickup too or the Jeep grand Cherokee.

If your payload requirements after the airstream aren't super heavy I think it would be remiss to point out that there are smaller engined options that will do the job he is looking at without him buying and maintaining a large truck with 7L class diesel engine. (Particularly new)

Let the OP buy what pleases him.

Nothing here is going to be "cheap" to buy or run, with advanced gas engines closing enough of the efficiency gap as to make diesel less compelling than it once was.

I like the less regular fill ups, range, lowrpms on highway and longer service intervals as my time and peace and quiet is worth something.
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Rodster, first I'm not attacking you nor am I knocking the 3.5L Ecoboost. It is a formidable competitor of mine.

Those Ike Gauntlet runs, while entertaining, and while they contain some (a few) nuggets of good points, by in large are the "Rush Limbaugh" of the capability tests.......entertaining, contain facts, but are not complete factual "News" reports.

First, Very little of our towing miles are up a steep, straight grade. Most of our mountain driving is 5 mph - 40mph, accelerating, decelerating and turning tight curves.

When talking USABLE torque and power, we have to look at the torque RANGE as well as peak. RANGE is where we live, whether it is pulling away from a stop or climbing a mountain. (Unless you're doing the Pike's Peak run!)

Let's compare:

First, neither engine is a "screamer" as we might define it in the past....

3.5 Ecoboost

max. 365HP @5000 rpm
max. 420 Lb/ft @ 2500 rpm

L86 6.2L V8

max. 420HP @ 5600 rpm
max. 460 Lb/ft @ 4100 rpm

But now let's look at a comparison through the range:

35.L ........... 6.2L

@2000 rpm
380 lb/ft 90% ............ 380 lb/ft 82%

@2500 rpm
420 lb/ft 100% ........... 400 lb/ft 87%

@3000 rpm
415 lb/ft 99% ............ 414 lb ft 90%

@4000 rpm
400 lb/ft 95% ........... 455 lb/ft 99%

Although I could not find a Ford SAE J1349 torque and HP chart online, which I find very curious), I did find at Pickuptrucks.com individual charts which I had to compare. Usable max. power is typically accepted to be the point where the torque curve and the HP curve cross.....generally.

3.5 Ecoboost

303 HP and 310 lb/ft @ 5200 rpm

6.2 L L86

390 hp and 440 lb/ft @ 4700rpm

Now, study where the power CURVES sit relative to the RPMs we normally see on mountain roads...or flat for that matter, and ask yourself....which is better under what circumstance? (hint....there are advantages to both powerplants in a particular situation). Neither is wrong...or better...just well executed differing theories and designs.

Now you just have to figure out which rear end takes best advantage of each.
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UGH, I can't make the columns line up!!!!
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Thanks Top. The local Ram dealership is part of a larger Larry Miller auto group that never mentioned Chrysler Maxcare, but pushed their own extended warranty program.

No dice. We'll look into Chrysler Maxcare.
Same with my dealer. They went through some 3rd party company to supply the warranties to all the makes they sell in their dealership group. Basically, they were doing that for their convenience not the customers.

Now I get a letter from Chrysler soliciting the factory warranty every couple of months, even stating a lifetime is available. Of course they don't have the costs on the letters, they want you to call them. I guess that means negotiating is in order. Lifetime warranty has gotta be expensive.

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Same with my dealer. They went through some 3rd party company to supply the warranties to all the makes they sell in their dealership group. Basically, they were doing that for their convenience not the customers.

Now I get a letter from Chrysler soliciting the factory warranty every couple of months, even stating a lifetime is available. Of course they don't have the costs on the letters, they want you to call them. I guess that means negotiating is in order. Lifetime warranty has gotta be expensive.

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I was quoted about $2,100 for a 8yr/120,000mi Chrysler Max Care warranty.
Lifetime warranty is not available for diesel powered vehicles.
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The Ford Eco engines are amazingly powerful at low torque and their power peak is at 2500 RPM
I think you meant their torque peak is at 2500 rpm. The power peak is at 5000 rpm. You need power for climbing hills. Lots of enthusiasts claim you only need torque (and not hp), but that is only if you don't want to have to shift gears.


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BTW, a properly designed diesel/cooling system should be able to idle and not overheat. That is another issue with some modern systems.
The issue mentioned above with idling isn't with overheating, it is with incomplete combustion. It is true of all engines, but even more so for diesels, that they like to run hard and work. Short trips and idling are not great for long life.

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LOL! I thought this thread was about diesel longevity
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LOL! I thought this thread was about diesel longevity
You've been around long enough to know better!
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Lifetime warranty for diesel powered vehicles

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Not completely accurate, there are dealerships offering "Life Time Warranty", I have one on my Ram CTD.
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Kelvin,
I'm shopping from chryslerwarrantydirect.com.
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I was quoted about $2,100 for a 8yr/120,000mi Chrysler Max Care warranty.
Lifetime warranty is not available for diesel powered vehicles.
We're going to look at the Chrysler extended warranty as well. Our last Ram 1500 performed flawlessly for 50K miles so we did not hesitate to buy a new one.

Love the fuel economy of the Ecodiesel and when going through negotiations between this and the gas Hemi, the final prices were very close. The incentives are there, great trade-in value, and the diesel has 40K longer power train warranty than the Hemi.

We were disappointed to hear the dealership spiel for the dealership's extended warranty and nothing mentioned about Chrysler's. We passed on the dealership warranty.
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Yeah, we love Fords. So does Consumer Reports. the F150 just received their best half ton award again. Look at that 6.2. But price them all. It's a value decision. You may want to review the consumer reports article.
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