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Old 02-02-2014, 10:31 AM   #1
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Diesel aftermarket performance chip?

As they say in the financial world, in full disclosure I have yet to pull my new 2014 25' Flying Cloud. TV is a 2011 Ram 2500 HD, diesel. Anyone out there use an aftermarket chip to help especially with gas mileage when not towing AS? I don't think I will need any extra towing capabilities with this combination but what are your thoughts? Specific brands to consider, if this is a good idea, or what to stay away from. This truck is still under warranty with only 12500 miles on it. Thanks in advance. Jim
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Old 02-02-2014, 10:37 AM   #2
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Old 02-02-2014, 10:37 AM   #3
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Jim, I would suggest you check out Dodge Cummins Diesel Forum for all your questions about your Ram 2500. Like all forums, you will have to search for the specific questions you have, but the information is there.

The bad news is, there is nothing you can do to your truck, short of driving it easier and slower, that will get you better fuel mileage that will not void your warranty, if the dealer should so decide.
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Old 02-02-2014, 11:11 AM   #4
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I've looked into it and it's my OPINION that the small mileage gains are not worth the expense. If you tow real heavy ( not Airstream heavy ) there are benefits in exhaust temps and transmission temps that may be more useful. I find, and I'm sure you will also, that we do not need any boost in HP and/or torque, there is plenty enough there with stock programming.
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Old 02-02-2014, 12:23 PM   #5
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IMHO: I have a programmable chip installed on my 7.3 liter Duramax F-250, 4x4 super cab. When I went from my 32' AS to a 35', 15,000# fifth wheel i found that it was necessary. Now that I have returned to the fold with my 25' AS I enjoy the added acceleration and improved mileage i get with the continued use of the chip. Even with out the AS in tow there is a marked improvement in performance. I would not be without the installation of a chip if I were contemplating a new P/U tow vehicle.

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Old 02-02-2014, 12:34 PM   #6
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Ron,

Don't think the 7.3L is a Duramax, how about Power Stroke?
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Old 02-02-2014, 02:29 PM   #7
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Thanks for the correction. I have no idea what I was thinking, especially since this is my 5th Navistar diesel. I do like the Duramax, especially when you compare the Duramax to the recent attempts of Ford to produce a diesel themselves since they no longer are made by IH. Once again, thank you for keeping me honest.

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Old 02-02-2014, 03:13 PM   #8
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I have a 2011 Chevrolet 3500 Duramax LML. It now has 70,000 miles on it. I installed an Edge Insight CTS. I have run it only on the Economy Tune. After about 20,000 miles with the Edge, I find that I get 1.5 mpg better mileage than without it. Not exactly a breathtaking improvement, but sufficient enough to amortize the cost of the unit over 30,000 miles. I also like the other information that the unit provides, especially the regen notification.

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Change of Opinion:

I have used the Bully Dog tuner ever since I bought my 31footer in 2007 and have been pleased with the performance. My TV is a 2004 Silverado with 6.6L Duramax/Allison

However, in preparation for our trip - departing Thursday, I hope - I wanted to see if an upgrade was available and, seeing that there was one, I upgraded, as I have done before.

The upgrade failed, the truck would not even begin to start, and there was no way to back out of the upgrade. I had to call my friends at Good Sam, who towed the truck away this morning. My chevy dealer said they would look at it tomorrow. I hope I can get away with a simple flash. If not, the computer is next.

I am now convinced to never even look at something like that again. High risk, marginal reward. Not a good equation.

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GC1nSC2,

Thanks for the correction. I have no idea what I was thinking, especially since this is my 5th Navistar diesel. I do like the Duramax, especially when you compare the Duramax to the recent attempts of Ford to produce a diesel themselves since they no longer are made by IH. Once again, thank you for keeping me honest.

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I would point out here that the problem PowerStrokes (6.0 and 6.4) were in fact IH/Navistar products. If I were a betting man, I'd put money on the reason for the 6.7l Scorpion being an in-house engine being the poor results and big hit to their reputation Ford got from the 6.0 and 6.4 Navistar engines. My impression (as a non-owner but gearhead) is that the Ford 6.7l has been a big improvement over the last 2 Navistars but wasn't without its teething problems at first.

The silliest thing about them (which was true of the 6.0 and 6.4 in the more recent versions) is having to take the cab off to do much work to the engine. That's just crazy.
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Ford's modifications to the IH designed engines earmed them their own black eyes. The blame was not just IH.
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Ron,

Any name you call it, a good running, well maintained 2001 7.3LFord diesel is a keeper.

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Not sure I would bolt anything on a motor under warranty. You are just begging for a warranty claim to be refused for what most of your respondents say is a marginal gain.

Just my 2 cents...

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I would point out here that the problem PowerStrokes (6.0 and 6.4) were in fact IH/Navistar products. If I were a betting man, I'd put money on the reason for the 6.7l Scorpion being an in-house engine being the poor results and big hit to their reputation Ford got from the 6.0 and 6.4 Navistar engines. My impression (as a non-owner but gearhead) is that the Ford 6.7l has been a big improvement over the last 2 Navistars but wasn't without its teething problems at first.

The silliest thing about them (which was true of the 6.0 and 6.4 in the more recent versions) is having to take the cab off to do much work to the engine. That's just crazy.
With all due respect to your vast knowledge ("Gearhead") : I believe that you will find that after 03, Ford purchased the engine block and associated parts from IH and did their own engineering of the motors in question. In addition, you will find that the Navistar people (IH) were not included in the class action suit, only Ford.

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