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Old 04-10-2015, 06:52 PM   #29
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I do not have either one. I do have a 2500 diesel Dodge. My advise is to buy the 2500 Denali. We drive the 2500 as a daily driver and like it.
Bill... thanks for the comments. Glad to hear that you enjoy the 2500 diesel as a daily driver. We're retired (aside from internet business that we do) so our daily driving needs are just a run to the store for this or that... no commuting, so I'm confident the HD truck will serve just fine for our towing as well as daily driving needs.
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Old 04-10-2015, 07:12 PM   #30
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I've been shopping for a truck to pull my 27 FC for almost a year -- and have test driven both of these trucks. No question the 1500 is the nicer drive; it's downright car-like and super quiet. BUT the 6.2 requires premium fuel, so you won't be paying less per gallon for fuel with the 6.2. Also you will not find a 1500 6.2 with a rated payload greater than 1500 lbs. unless you get the max trailer tow package, which several dealers have said Chevy/GMC are not building right now. By rated payload, I mean what the red white and yellow sticker on the driver's side door frame says. I know; I've been looking. You definitely have to horse the 2500 around like the heavy truck it is. Also, bear in mind that most diesels quiet down after they've warmed up. So if it seems like a lot of racket from the engine when you test drive, it may be because it's not warmed up. Diesels warm up more slowly than gas engines, especially under light load.
DC Bruce... yep, we see it the same way. The 1500 is so carlike... actually almost too carlike for my liking. When driving them you could almost think you were driving a car. And when looking at the 1500 trucks, from a distance, they seem small and carlike in appearance. I was looking at the new Sierra and Sierra Denali 1500s and they kind of look like the mid-size Dakota trucks... they don't look like full size trucks to me anymore.

I can, however, definitely see the appeal to many of having a very car-like 1/2 ton American truck. They're very comfortable and so easy to drive.

But for me, I'm drawn to the more trucklike 2500 series, even though they do require (as you say) being "horsed" around. At the same time we see that as something of an advantage... they give a much better view of the road, establish more of a commanding presence on the road, and are certainly much better in terms of a safety margin to take on towing demands and weight loading. And in a collision with other vehicles, the big truck occupants have a better likelihood to escape damage.

The payload really is a big deal, beyond just the capability to pull a certain weight. While the 1500 may be able to technically pull a certain weight of trailer, you are so limited to whatever else you can pile in the truck, as well.

So, for all these reasons, we've decided the Denali 2500HD with Duramax and Allison is what we will go with. There is an Iridium color version of this truck inbound the first of next week to our (awesome) GMC dealership. It has our name on it. WooHoo!

In other news, just yesterday we ordered our 2016 30' Flying Cloud Recliner model (declining the actual recliners themselves) with 50amp, 2nd AC, inverter, awnings, 16" wheels/Michelins. Looks like we're about 6 weeks out. Another WOOHOO!
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Old 04-10-2015, 07:42 PM   #31
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For all the reasons stated above, especially more payload, we also bought a 2015 Sierra Denali HD 2500 with Duramax and the Allison. It tows like a dream, especially in comparison to our previous truck (Ford F150).

DHart, I think you made a great decision! Enjoy your new truck and your new trailer. And good choice on the color Iridium, we almost got one in that color. But our "Sonoma Red Metallic" color is nice too, and the only one we found with towing mirrors at that time.
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Old 04-10-2015, 07:55 PM   #32
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For all the reasons stated above, especially more payload, we also bought a 2015 Sierra Denali HD 2500 with Duramax and the Allison. It tows like a dream, especially in comparison to our previous truck (Ford F150).

DHart, I think you made a great decision! Enjoy your new truck and your new trailer. And good choice on the color Iridium, we almost got one in that color. But our "Sonoma Red Metallic" color is nice too, and the only one we found with towing mirrors at that time.
time2play... nice rig you have there. And the red Denali looks awesome! We'll look for you on the road!
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Old 04-10-2015, 10:34 PM   #33
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Here is ours in Summit White. I didn't want a white one but the color (or lack thereof) has really grown on me. Love the cocoa/dune interior too. You're gonna love yours!!
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Old 04-10-2015, 10:36 PM   #34
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Here is ours in Summit White. I didn't want a white one but color (or lack thereof) has really grown on me. Love the cocoa/dune interior too. You're gonna love it!!
TinShack.... the white looks great! And goes with the Airstream beautifully. Thanks for sharing that nice pic.
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Very interesting to read here that people feel safer sitting higher.

We have a 2015 2500 GM 6.0 Litre Gas motor that we use mainly to tow large fifth wheels. When I drive and use that truck the thing I really don't like about it is the ridiculous height. It has a very tall center of gravity for no good reason.

I feel it is the least safe vehicle in our fleet. It is the least capable of avoiding an accident, the longest stopping distance, the most likely to roll over and the most likely to suffer a roof collapse if it does roll over. It is also the most likely to cause severe injury to anyone you might have an accident with.

Certainly the power of all the large diesels is amazing during testing last fall we were turning 21 second quarter miles with them towing 15,000 pound fifth wheels. If you like the truck and I know lots of people like big trucks. A good friend of my drives one and he never tows or carries anything. If you fall in that category by all means buy one but safety probably should not be major part of the equation. I know it feels big and solid but when you try and make it perform in anything but a straight line the numbers are not great.

Just something to consider.

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The bigger and higher the truck, the more likely it will be the cause of an accident, rather than help prevent it. Always go for the lower centre of gravity and the more sophisticated suspension setup, payload permitting.
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Old 04-11-2015, 09:10 AM   #37
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My Chevy 1500 HD had the best of both worlds. It drove like a 1500, and towed like a 2500. Plus it has 4 wheel steering! (Backs a trailer like you would not believe)

However, it is 10 years old with 106,000 miles on it, and I'm in the mood for something new.

I looked at the 1500 with the 6.2 and 8 spd tranny, and the 2500 with the 6.0 liter. (The oil burner is way too expensive, and way too thirsty)

The 1500 is much more nimble in traffic and in parking lots. Gas mileage is much better. I can stand on the ground and slide in without climbing. I can jump out without feeling that I could use a parachute. I ordered one.

The only drawback I see to the 1500 is the lighter suspension on bumpy roads. On my HD there is a button I can push to firm up the suspension. Gonna miss that. So, I will install rear airbags with air pump and control so I can increase suspension firmness when needed while driving.

I doubt that I will live another 10 years, so this will most likely be my last truck. My extensive research tells me I will like this truck. I certainly hope I'm right.
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Old 04-11-2015, 09:22 AM   #38
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Denali 1500 w/6.2L vs. Denali 2500HD Duramax

A relatively high but reasonable center of gravity has never made me feel unsafe, and the added visibility that this can provide makes me feel more safe because I can see better in traffic, thereby helping to avoid getting in tight spots to begin with.

Of course I have always driven trucks so that is what I am used to. I prefer "heavy" half tons, but have owned (and still do) and towed with 1/2 ton to large semi tractors, I have never been in a spot where center of gravity has made me feel out of control or made me think I was ever anywhere close to rolling over.

What makes me cringe is the unreliability of, and the expense and effort of keeping my Duramax trucks running.


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@TerryV.....what is 4 wheel steering?
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Old 04-11-2015, 11:42 AM   #40
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Very interesting to read here that people feel safer sitting higher.

We have a 2015 2500 GM 6.0 Litre Gas motor that we use mainly to tow large fifth wheels. When I drive and use that truck the thing I really don't like about it is the ridiculous height. It has a very tall center of gravity for no good reason.

I feel it is the least safe vehicle in our fleet. It is the least capable of avoiding an accident, the longest stopping distance, the most likely to roll over and the most likely to suffer a roof collapse if it does roll over. It is also the most likely to cause severe injury to anyone you might have an accident with.

Certainly the power of all the large diesels is amazing during testing last fall we were turning 21 second quarter miles with them towing 15,000 pound fifth wheels. If you like the truck and I know lots of people like big trucks. A good friend of my drives one and he never tows or carries anything. If you fall in that category by all means buy one but safety probably should not be major part of the equation. I know it feels big and solid but when you try and make it perform in anything but a straight line the numbers are not great.

Just something to consider.

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This is a very one sided view of things. Safety is not just about rollover risk. Let's say you rear end a semi. With a sedan you have a much higher chance of sliding under the semi and be in a fatal accident. This would not happen to a vehicle with a higher stance. The good visibility also allows you to anticipate things. There are trade offs for everything (nothing is absolutely better) and you need to know both the good and bad before making a decision.
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I can see where the higher center of gravity makes for somewhat less stability in terms of swerving and somewhat greater chance of rollover. I believe the difference between the 1500 and the 2500 is 8" in height... not a great amount. But enough to allow much better visibility of the conditions ahead and the state of traffic ahead and in that sense an added bit of safety. And in the event of a collision with another vehicle, I think being a bit higher can provide a little more safety for us, as occupants in the truck.

Any of the choices available involve compromises of this or that and each of us needs to determine what compromises we are willing to make to attain the benefits we wish to have. No choice is perfect in all aspects.
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