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Old 04-12-2012, 07:23 PM   #1
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Cummins diesel or International?

How about it you diesel fans? Dodge cummins diesel or Ford with an international?
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Old 04-12-2012, 08:21 PM   #2
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I prefer my Sprinter with a Mercedes diesel for pulling my 19' Bambi. 16-17 mpg when towing, 22-24 mpg when not towing. 25.2 mpg average while running around Chicago today.
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Agree with Robert, Mercedes makes the diesels appropriate to Airstream, unless you need to pull two Airstreams at the same time.

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Btw, 2011 and up Ford no longer has a contract with international. Ford makes their diesel engines in house.

I'm not sure if your looking for an older diesel or not.

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Old 04-12-2012, 10:29 PM   #5
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The newest generation of diesels have all found themselves to be reliable motors... and all freakishly expensive to repair once they mile-out. Cummins certainly has the longer pedigree if that means anything to you...
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I've been looking into this too! I found this interesting article from Diesel Power magazine. While I was at my local diesel parts & repair shop last week purchasing some diesel fuel additive for my Cummins powered motorhome, I asked the guy behind the counter for his thoughts. He said that they're all good (Dodge, Ford, Chevy/GMC), but advised me to stay away from 2003-06 Fords. Glad to discover that my 12-valve Cummmins is possibly the most reliable of the bunch!
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I found this interesting article from Diesel Power magazine.
I don't want to pay $19.95 to view the article. How about a brief review of what the article said?
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Having pulled with a sprinter diesel and a cummins, there is no comparison. An underpowered van or a powerful truck. Sorry to hijack the thread. jim
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Went and had a look at your previous posts. That trailer is not at all big. Any of a number of vehicles can be made to tow it. It is more a matter of how much stuff and how many people you will travel with. A fulltimer can make better use of a big pickup (diesel) than a "vacationer" (infrequent though regular trips). I see you've also asked about other TV's for your trailer in other threads. Probably any of those could be made to work (contact Andrew Thomson, of CAN AM RV in London, ON). Some good choices on minivans (HONDA Odyssey) could be made.

Do some reading. There are plenty of threads about this kind of question. Your situation is not unique, and that reading leads to better questions that will, in turn, lead to better answers.

As to diesel pickups there are about a dozen of us with 2003-06 Dodge with 28'- 34' aero aluminum trailers which weigh from about 7 to 11k pounds getting high reliability and 13-16 mpg towing. None of that matters except for full timing or with a truck that otherwise has some IRS deductible miles.

I chose mine strictly for longest life at lowest cost with highest reliability (which left out both Ford and GM). 2WD & manual transmission make it bulletproof and a great pleasure to drive. IFS plus rack & pinion steering give it very good sensitivity on the highway. But it's overkill even for my 8k GVWR 32' trailer . . unless I load as if for full-timing (4-season plus hobbies or business, etc) which is where I am at present (living and working from trailer, ready to move based on job opportunity in the oilfield).

1] How long will you keep the trailer?
2] How many nights aboard in that period?
3] How many miles under tow?
4] How many miles on TV, overall, in same period?

Come up with some time/distance/use answers and TV questions are more easily sorted out. A TV that is of reasonable size and doesn't really do much towing based on percentage of total miles can be easier to live with, with a lower cost of operation, than going bigger and bigger (the RV'er disease).

No surprise that the same crowd who advocated bigger last year are cutting travel this year (other RV boards) as their operating expense is too high. An A/S behind an economical TV (of which mpg is barely a top category of comparison) is a winner on many counts. Initial expense, total cpm of operation, and ease of use are what matter.
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:32 AM   #10
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I must vote Cummins, sure love mine. I have an 07 with the 6.9. Six speed manual, factory installed optional exhaust brake, DRW. 13-15 towing,18-22 solo. Pulling a 34 so 12 tires rolling. I've only had it about 1.5 years , been very good. I also like the low, sleek front end that I think helps with aerodynamics (mine is 2wd) compared with other brands.
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:16 AM   #11
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I purchased a 99 Dodge/Cummins new in late 98. I used this vehicle to deliver trailers all over the U.S for quite a few years and still use it to pull my own AS.

I now have 565,000 miles on this truck and other than an injection pump at 458k, there have been no engine related repairs. I have known of several that made the million mile mark.

I pretty well know what truck I will buy when it is replacement time
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Went and had a look at your previous posts. That trailer is not at all big. Any of a number of vehicles can be made to tow it. It is more a matter of how much stuff and how many people you will travel with. A fulltimer can make better use of a big pickup (diesel) than a "vacationer" (infrequent though regular trips). I see you've also asked about other TV's for your trailer in other threads. Probably any of those could be made to work (contact Andrew Thomson, of CAN AM RV in London, ON). Some good choices on minivans (HONDA Odyssey) could be made.

Do some reading. There are plenty of threads about this kind of question. Your situation is not unique, and that reading leads to better questions that will, in turn, lead to better answers.

As to diesel pickups there are about a dozen of us with 2003-06 Dodge with 28'- 34' aero aluminum trailers which weigh from about 7 to 11k pounds getting high reliability and 13-16 mpg towing. None of that matters except for full timing or with a truck that otherwise has some IRS deductible miles.

I chose mine strictly for longest life at lowest cost with highest reliability (which left out both Ford and GM). 2WD & manual transmission make it bulletproof and a great pleasure to drive. IFS plus rack & pinion steering give it very good sensitivity on the highway. But it's overkill even for my 8k GVWR 32' trailer . . unless I load as if for full-timing (4-season plus hobbies or business, etc) which is where I am at present (living and working from trailer, ready to move based on job opportunity in the oilfield).

1] How long will you keep the trailer?
2] How many nights aboard in that period?
3] How many miles under tow?
4] How many miles on TV, overall, in same period?

Come up with some time/distance/use answers and TV questions are more easily sorted out. A TV that is of reasonable size and doesn't really do much towing based on percentage of total miles can be easier to live with, with a lower cost of operation, than going bigger and bigger (the RV'er disease).

No surprise that the same crowd who advocated bigger last year are cutting travel this year (other RV boards) as their operating expense is too high. An A/S behind an economical TV (of which mpg is barely a top category of comparison) is a winner on many counts. Initial expense, total cpm of operation, and ease of use are what matter.
Rednax, I'll be making regular trips from Memphis to central Florida...and expect to put 40,000 a year on it. My 24 ft. weights approximately 5,000 fully loaded but I expect in 2 years I'll upgrade to a larger airstream, but never more than 9,000 lbs.
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:58 AM   #13
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I don't trade vehicles, and tend to wear them out. My Surburban has 200,000 on a gas engine. I am buying the diesel for power and longevity.
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Old 04-13-2012, 09:16 AM   #14
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Another vote for the Cummins. My '07 with the 5.9 just turned over 150,000 with zero repairs. No question it's way overkill for my little 19' but I'm getting much better mileage towing than I ever did with my old F150, the brakes are amazing and travel is more relaxed with the engine barely breathing as we chug along at legal speeds. BTW the coachwork on the Dodge has proven to be as solid as the engine as well.
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Eaglemate, it'll be darned hard to beat a used Cummins (lack of emissions equipment makes for better mpg and probably longer life). Avoid 4WD to keep operating expenses down. Manual transmission is better than auto (for any brand) but it especially sweet with the straight 6 turbodiesel.

If you buy brand new then it's hard to say which one will be best. A diesel may no longer be the best long-term buy as the initial cost is not so easily offset by higher cost per gallon and lower mpg in years past. The 1T trucks with gas motors, or the 1T vans (Ford) may be the better choice for a TT of 9k lbs.

On a used vehicle it would depend on how old one is willing to buy. I'd have no qualms recommending 2003-2006 Dodge, but I'm pretty comfortable with the vehicle specifically, and all vehicles generally. I can't say what others are comfortable with. Some years of GM are great, but no Ford from 2003 to 2011 is worth looking at (diesel). So a gas motor gives one a far greater set of choices as all three brands have some good combinations.

Much of what constitutes "success" with a TV is the service. A good dealer is worth more than brand loyalty for the majority of folks out there. If the TN and FL locations are fixed, then asking about dealers would be very high on my list of how to choose a TV.

One needs keep the TV in perfect shape as a TT demands a higher level of performance. And, while dealer service can be expensive, one is "protected" by the national level of communications, so to speak (versus a mom & pop operation).

Be willing to change if the first one doesn't work out. Same as you have planned with the TT.
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i have to say the cummins is a better motor not really a dodge fan but love the cummins motor the have
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:21 PM   #17
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Cummins do sound fine

500,000 miles is nothing to sneeze at considering it's a truck and maybe abused little. I could never buy chev or ford with diesel as Cummins is fail proof. I like small diesels little under dog motor my 2.8 4cyl hauls booty if you lay it down going up hill even in tow.
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This can really start the campfire "discussions" we all have opinions.

By standards I'm still new to the 5.9L just got mine in '05 (about 125,000 miles on it now) and followed it up in '07 with a '97 5.9L Ram 3500 for my Son. Some observations and opinions.

If it is a 7.3L consider it.
If it is a 6.0L run from it.
The 6.4L didn't last too long (on the market) and most pictures that I have ever seen show it with the entire cab off for any significant repairs.
Ford 6.7L reputation is still being determined. My neighbor owned a 6.0L and it failed him once too often, gone. His '11 6.7L has some kind of trans delay that would seem to show up at for example an on ramp merge, he is in serious discussions w/dealer. I must say when he took me for a drive in his '11 it is one serious sweet cab and gadgets.

One of my favorite I'm considering a diesel which one should I get comments is:

Line up a Cummins next to any Ford and then a Duramax next. Open the hoods, which one would you preffer to work on?

There are companies that make all the adaptors to create a Fummins (Ford w/ Cummins eng) but I haven't seen a 7.3L in a 3rd Gen Ram.

I really like it when I hit 6th gear with the AS hooked up and the Cummins hits the sweet spot, everything is just right and its time to enjoy the views.

I like my Cummins, I'd replace it with another if something happened to it.

Good luck.
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Currently pulling with a 7.3 Ford Crew Cab Dually that we purchased new. 215K miles with no problems other than one transmission failure, which is expected from that generation of Fords. We had a Vogue 40' motorhome with a Cummins 8.3 mechanical engine that was wonderful. 34k lb. gross and it pushed it effortlessly up hills. My mechanic said it was basically the big sister to the 5.9. I would consider either brand based on my experience. Certain editions of the Duramax also have a great reputation. I would say whatever truck you like best is the one to go with. What about the threads that claim that 3/4 or 1-ton vehicles are too much for an Airstream?
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The tally in our area,,
Cummins 500,000+ miles and still strong
GM,,, 200,000 + get weak or need repairs
Ford 250,000+ they never seem to die,, but just drop power.. Get hard to start and at the end blow oil..

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