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Old 07-04-2017, 10:36 AM   #29
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The trouble is the limits of one tow vehicle/hitch/trailer combination are often entirely different the than limits of another.

Tow and weight ratings are a basic starting point, after that it's up to you. You have to consider and set up the entire combination for safest results.
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Old 07-04-2017, 12:50 PM   #30
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I am interested in the 27FB AS and have a 2013 Ford F150 with a 5.0 V8 (3.55 Axle). The Ford specs say it can tow 7800 lbs. and the 27FB AS has a GVWR 7600 lbs. Since this is so close to the limit, I am curious is anyone has tried this combination or can shed some light.
Maybe get a 25' to tow with that? See how it goes and upgrade to a F250 at some point? Where you live you may need some extra horsepower to keep up. Really depends on your towing experience and expectations. I personally would go with a bigger truck, and would consider a diesel for that weight.
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Old 07-04-2017, 01:17 PM   #31
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We brought the 2013 25FB International Serenity home from Los Angles on I-10, up the steep climb out of Palm Springs and ending up on the East side of Phoenix towing with a 2007 Mercedes ML320 CDI that has a 3.0L V6 turbocharged diesel. That engine had more torque than the 5.5L V8 gas that model year. We had a Hensley Arrow hitch and there was never a sway issue.

After loading the 25FB to 6,900 pounds with all off our stuff, the load created some noises in the car that it was not happy. We upgraded to a 2012 Ram 2500HD Cummins which we kept and tow the 2014 31' Classic that scales 9,200 pounds camping ready. For us, that combination works well with the 6 and 7% grades we have to traverse coming and going out of the Phoenix area north bound. The Classic has a ProPride hitch.

We still have the Mercedes ML320 CDI and it is towing our 2015 23D International Serenity with no issues and the 23D scales 6,068 pounds fully loaded and reusing the Hensley Arrow I retained from the 25FB when it was traded in for the Classic.

Sizing the trailer and the tow vehicle and setting your expectations to that marriage makes life easier.
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Old 07-04-2017, 01:46 PM   #32
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Now I heard it all when it comes to hitches.
A Pro-Pride will take the place of a 3/4 ton pick up. Awesome, you might want to impart that bit of wisdom to all the truck sales people in your town.

I have posted a great number of remarks about this subject relating my actual experience in towing a 30' with my 1/2 ton for three years and eventually throwing in the towel and upgrading to a 3/4 ton. And there are hundreds of others who made the same decision based on the same experience.
Frankly Frank.....no one said you were dumb for purchasing a diesel. I had a diesel and loved it but with the newer technology you can pull more weight with a smaller lighter weight truck.

My 2000 Dodge was rated to pull 13,000 pounds, my ECU Boost with 3.55 gears is rated to pull 11,300. The 2016 Ford has better and bigger brakes and with Ford's 6 speed automatic it acts like a jake brake. My Dodge's brakes sucked, I had to install a jake brake to slow do my 5th wheel in the VA mountains.

The Dodge was rock solid towing, I ordered it with HD everything, it was designed to tow.

What I didn't like about the F150 was when a big rig would pass me or uneven pavement would cause a hobby horsing or I got pushed around. With the Pro Pride hitch my Ford pulls my AS 30' FC just as good as the 2000 Dodge diesel.

If I was a full timer or a Snow Bird I might rethink my decision, but with 2 years before retirement and only 2 weeks vacation a year and a few long weekends the F150 does just fine.
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Old 07-04-2017, 02:11 PM   #33
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If the gearing is the problem can you just change the gearing out to 3.73?
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Old 07-04-2017, 04:14 PM   #34
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If the gearing is the problem can you just change the gearing out to 3.73?
Or replace the tires with one having a little smaller diameter/lower profile. We did this with our 4.7 V8 Tundra pulling our FC25FB when the truck's tires were damaged, it has the same effect as lower gears. Gained a little more power with a little less downshifting on hilly grades, which slightly improved towing gas mileage. Less sidewall flex also helped with towing stability quite a bit.

But the 5.0 V8 should have plenty of torque for the job with 3.73, I certainly wouldn't change anything without seeing how it performs as is.
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If the gearing is the problem can you just change the gearing out to 3.73?
It's an expensive proposition. I was quoted around $2k by two local shops.
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I don't understand the logic of considering changing out the differentials.

In the days of 3 speed transmissions, final drive ratios mattered a lot.

This is a six speed 6R80 transmission. The step from 4th to 5th is 24%. The step from 5th to 6th is 20%. The difference between the OP's 3.55 and the optional 3.73 is 5%. Anything you can achieve by changing out the differentials can be more than accomplished by shifting gears when appropriate. And this retains the benefit of the higher (lower numerically) final drive ratios for better fuel economy when not towing.
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Old 07-05-2017, 04:34 AM   #37
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Here is our experience described in detail in going from an F150 5.0 just like yours to a 2015 F150 EcoBoost with MaxTow.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...le-141137.html

The change was significant in many, many ways as to comfort and confidence in towing our 2014 27fb. We just did a 10 day, 4 state park loop from central Florida up through the East side of Alabama up to their lookout mountain, into NW Georgia up to Cloudland Canyon, and back down towards home. Plenty of "grades" (don't laugh you folks that travel out West ), and lots of switchback roads. Our '15 F150 (properly spec'd for the job at hand) handles our Pete very well.

Hope this helps.
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5.0 f150

To the OP, try the truck first. You may be happy with the right load, hitch and terrain you travel on. I have a 2015 SuperCab Lariat 4X4 with the 5.0, 3.31 gears and have been pretty happy. I pull a 25FC and it may only be a few hundred pounds lighter than a 27. This newer generation 5.0 has a little more torque and hp and the newer aluminum body makes for better payloads. Mine has a 2031 payload according to the door sticker.

The newer trucks are very comfortable, quiet and capable, but you will pay for all these improvements. If your truck runs well and with solid brakes and transmission, why not give it a shot? Mine did great last year in the Rockies on a 7,000 mile loop hitting many of the high passes with no issues other than going slow and steady. The EcoBoost version, I understand will handle these passes much better with the turbos ,but yours should be able to the job as well.

Shiny Pete, you were just a few miles from us at Cloudland Canyon and hope you enjoyed your visit to Lookout Mountain!

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You got it. Maybe some of us dont have a small house to dump into a truck not to mention maintenance.
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We had a 2010 F150 SuperCrew 4X4 with 5.4 V8 and 3:55 axle and it could pull our 28ft International.
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