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Old 12-07-2008, 12:48 AM   #21
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I and the Princess, ride a tandem bicycle, weighs about 65 lbs. Any experience advice on the issue would be greatly appreciated. We would rather not carry it on top of TV because of height.
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We have a rack that lies on floor. Locks the front fork, and, the tandem rides in the AS hallway clean and dry.

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Hi, Scotty Oh; We also have a tandem that we plan on taking with us in our Airstream trailer and we plan to mount it to a rack on a board as mentioned by henw.
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Old 12-07-2008, 12:55 AM   #22
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Mine was to buy a roof rack for the bikes. Sure it's a PITA to load, but it cost me about $200. Any idea what it costs to repair frame separation? I don't, but I'll guess it's significantly more than $200....and Scotty's Airstream is in fact a 2008 going by his profile.
Hi, trying to load a tandem onto a roof rack would not be a fun task.
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Old 12-07-2008, 05:13 AM   #23
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Here's how we load our's.

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Hi, trying to load a tandem onto a roof rack would not be a fun task.
Totally agree. My comments on the roof rack were mainly to point out that alternative options are possible, as seen by what Tom and others have done, and that any alternate solutions will cost far less than any possible frame separation repair costs that apparently, per the factory, will eventually happen.
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A little more perspective... I carry two recumbents in our Bigfoot, and have used most modes of transport for bikes over the years. We bought two Trek F600/F400 folders this summer to solve the transport issue. That said, we use a small bicycle rack inside the hallway for the recumbents, much like henw and attach the bikes to the rack using bungie cords. Unfortunately, I don't have photos of our exact setup, but the attached photo shows the rack I use and conventional wedgies. I put the rear wheels in the rack as our recumbents are 26"/20" long and short wheelbase bikes. We drove a nearly 4,000 mile round trip with them this summer and they were safe, out of the weather, and didn't damage anything on the trailer or the bikes. The stand also works nicely to support the bikes when parked. I use bar-b-que covers for bike garages for the recumbents when they're parked. All-in-all a very acceptable system.

Now about Airstream frames, bikes on the rear, and frame separation... four or five inch frame notwithstanding, Airstream is monocoque construction. The trailer isn't built on a frame which provides support for the cabin, the frame and cabin support each other which is what allows the Airstream to (at least once upon a time) be lighter than any other trailer foot for foot of construction. An Airstream frame cannot be used as a cargo trailer frame because it is not self-supporting. Airstream frames droop without the shell attached. The shells and frames are attached with rivets. If you hang significant weight off the rear of the frame where it wasn't designed to hang, you stress those attaching rivets which will eventually lead to frame/body separation. Physics comes into play here, and things like "moment of inertia" and such goofy things amplify the hundred pound load of two bikes and a carrier to ridiculously high amounts of weight on the rear of a trailer at the top and bottom of it's travel, as it merrily bounces along down the road. That amplified weight on a monocoque construction is what damages an Airstream.

Now... all that aside, the "moment of inertia" stuff also affects your bikes as they are beaten heavily while attached to a rack. I don't need to beat my bike frames any more than what they get while being ridden, so the inside rack is a much better choice for me. On top of that, they're not exposed to road grime and the weather, which are cause for more frequent maintenance and wear.

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Good idea, Howie. As far as the length, I will be taking front wheel off to mount using the drop-outs on fork. The length mounted is about 7'. If I am getting close enough to get it into trouble I have a lot more to worry about, with the AS as 8.5" I am hoping to use a receiver if it doesn't add to much weight, maybe on of the small ones.
The receiver will may add some length to the moment are and thus additional force. But most important is to reduce the rotational moment about the bumper of anything hanging off the rear. To do this use something like the strap in my picture affixed to the window frame. This removes the rotational moment arm effect of the cantilevered weight and makes it just a static vertical load.

We carry quite a quantity of collected fossils under the bed and I am sure Airstream Customer Service would say this is a bad idea also. I bought my trailer to use and enjoy it. When and if problems arise from my use I will fix them rather than limit my use by 30 year old logic that is no longer relevant.

There are many on the Forum that have had Good Results in dealing with the Mother Ship. I have had contact with them on problems of axle alignment, roof vent parts, and door parts. Either they claimed Airstream never installed the original item, roof vent crank mechanism, or just took my money and did nothing, axle alignment. I am not one that would suggest the Mother Ship as a source of technical information.
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I would also like to know the answer to this apparent problem on a regular AS
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Add that receiver to the front of that TV That will put the weight on that front axle U have been lookin for, seeing U cant transfer with a WD system.
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...makes it just a static vertical load.

We carry quite a quantity of collected fossils under the bed and I am sure Airstream Customer Service would say this is a bad idea also.
First, Howie, a solid bike rack inserted into a 2" reciever welded to the frame doesn't have the rotational component. It still has the vertical load that causes the frame to flex more than it was designed to flex.

Regarding your fossils (which, BTW, brings rocks scene from The Long, Long Trailer immediately to mind) aside from the added weight issues, that's probably not a big deal since the load isn't cantilevered off the end of the frame. That load, located between the axles and the end of the frame really doesn't have the "moment of inertia arc" that the cantilevered bikes do.

In the case of your rack, tying the rack to the shell AND the frame is probably as good an idea as any as you are using the shell as well as the frame to carry the weight. I still wouldn't recommend carrying bikes on the back of an Airstream, but if you have to do it, your method is probably the least damaging.

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I would also like to know the answer to this apparent problem on a regular AS
Allen, which problem are you asking about?

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My bike weighs less than the sewer hose in the storage box, but they say not to cantelever any weight on a Airstream...so it goes on top the Suburban..
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I and the Princess, ride a tandem bicycle, weighs about 65 lbs. Any experience advice on the issue would be greatly appreciated. We would rather not carry it on top of TV because of height.
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We carry our two tandems in the bed of our covered pickup using a fork bed mount attached aft. As our tandems are worth more than a lot of new cars I wouldn't think of subjecting them to the elements on an outside mount.
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My bike weighs less than the sewer hose in the storage box...
The shipping weight of a Camco sewer hose is 3 lbs according to Amazon.com. Wow! If your bike is really that light, it's gotta be worth as much or more as your trailer! I'm pretty sure you don't want to leave it out in the elements either, 'cause somebody'll steal your whole rig just to get the bike!

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Who has time for all this exercise stuff anyway? I'm in it for the leisure activities like Flamingo watching and margarita mixing competitions.

Just kidding. Though we don't bike, we do hike, snow ski, and are currently looking for a couple of touring kayaks. We put the gear in the AS when we can so it is out of sight and the weather. If it's too big to go inside we put it in the truck bed, or on a roof rack.

I have a bike nut friend who would never put his bike on ther rear of his truck. He dosen't trust other drivers and dosen't want someone smashing his bikes.

As for the route others choose...To each their own.
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Due to liability I would not expect the factory to have any other answer than the one given to SilverTwinkie. If the factory wanted to they could bless this whole thing by redesigning the trailers and offering a bike rack option. Since there is no past or present option I can not see the factory blessing anyone else's non-Airstream parts.

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Rear bicycle mount

I got a flyer in the mail today from an Airstream dealer advertizing a rear bike rack endorsed by Airstream. It is manufactured by a company called Fiamma. It looks like it supports the weight against the vertical body panel instead of the bumprer. It also looks very home buildable out of PVC pipe. Can we PULEEZE put this to bed now?
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I got a flyer in the mail today from an Airstream dealer advertizing a rear bike rack endorsed by Airstream. It is manufactured by a company called Fiamma. It looks like it supports the weight against the vertical body panel instead of the bumprer. It also looks very home buildable out of PVC pipe. Can we PULEEZE put this to bed now?
You wake up a three year old thread and beg to put it to bed????? And throw out a "build it out of PVC" statement??? And talk about how the weight is supported???

This thread has more info.
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Take inch and a quarter PVC schedule 40 and run a 7/8" closet pole inside and it becomes a rigid structure that can accommodate bolts, eye bolts, etc. Still light weight and CHEAP.
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I wasn't saying it can't be done, just that it seems like a topic that could generate a lot of comment- like putting weight on a rear bumper. These questions might be too tantalizing to put the discussion to bed.
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