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Old 03-01-2019, 02:49 PM   #1
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Bar weight and sway control

Do the ratings on the bars have a bearing on the amount of sway control provided? I am getting a little sway/push from my 30' Classic. When we picked the trailer up and our dealer set up the Reese Dual Cam WD hitch, he said the 1000lb bars it came with would beat up the trailer. He switched it to 800 lb bars. I am wondering if that was a mistake as far as sway control goes. BTW, my TV is a 2018 F250 4x4 CC diesel.
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Old 03-01-2019, 02:55 PM   #2
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I think so. I have a much older 32 foot excella and have pulled it with both the 800 and the 1000 bars with the Reese Straight line hitch. I am happy with the 1000 and was unhappy with the 800. Of course how well it is setup might matter also. And the bars were slightly different lengths so I had to reset the arms.
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Old 03-01-2019, 03:08 PM   #3
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I'm not familiar with the Reese Dual Cam, but I have the same truck and a Blue Ox Swaypro. I used to use 1000# bars with a 1/2 ton truck and could restore my truck's front axle weight and had NO sway. When I moved up to the F250, I had to get 1500# bars to restore my F250's front axle weight. I have to crank the bars hard to achieve full front axle weights, so I've had a few popped rivets - nothing major. I just replace the popped rivets and they never popped again. I have over 31,000 miles on my 2017 FC25FB.

I am a believer of big bars and full front axle weight restoration. But I too am having push/pull issues with my new F250 and have spent many days trying different setups to improve the situation. Have you done a three pass CAT scale weighing? You can see mine here: http://www.airforums.com/forums/f42/...ml#post2202254 and more posts of what I've tried to fix my F250 further down the thread.
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Old 03-01-2019, 03:12 PM   #4
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No, I haven't scaled it yet, that was going to be my next step. Noticed over on the Power Stroke forum there are people who aren't happy towing with their late model PS diesels. Maybe just a coincidence.
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Old 03-01-2019, 03:19 PM   #5
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On my classic 34' and Excursion tug, I use the Reese Straightline, with 1200# spring bars. 300000 miles and no damage, popped rivets (except one over and over again in the bathroom), or wrinkles! Love the way I have never felt sway!
The Ex is softly sprung so the more aggressive springs help keep everything level.
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Old 03-01-2019, 03:36 PM   #6
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Do the ratings on the bars have a bearing on the amount of sway control provided? I am getting a little sway/push from my 30' Classic. When we picked the trailer up and our dealer set up the Reese Dual Cam WD hitch, he said the 1000lb bars it came with would beat up the trailer. He switched it to 800 lb bars. I am wondering if that was a mistake as far as sway control goes. BTW, my TV is a 2018 F250 4x4 CC diesel.
Really depends on how much weight you need to move and how stiff your TV suspension is.

For our rig....1200lb TW
560 to the FA
160 to the AS
720 moved= 1000lb bars with our Hensley hitch.

I'm not a fan of the hitches that depend on WD tension for sway control. If you don't require the tension you may not have the sway control you need. YMMV

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Reese rates their bars for "maximum" tongue weight of the trailer. Our 800 lb. bars are rated for 400-800 lbs which works well with our tongue weight of about 650 lbs.
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I tow a 2018 28 Serenity with a 2018 F250 diesel. I have no sway or push, using a FastWay E4 weight/sway hitch with 1000 lb bars. Every setup is different. I am using 6 washers and have no rise on the front axle and one inch compression in the rear.
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Old 03-02-2019, 09:54 AM   #9
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I have a 2017 F-250 4x4 lariat crew cab diesel, and I am pulling a 2017 27' FB International Signature. My tow package is a 4 point 1000# Equal-I-zer.
My old 2001 25' Classic Excella was towed with a draw-tite system. I have never experienced any of the "push -pull, or light front axle as I read about here.
My original trailer was towed by 4 different F-250 4x4 diesels, all with the DrawTite system. I had the dealer install the Equal-I-zer over the Blue Ox with the new truck/trailer combo. I don't have any experience with the Blue Ox, so I can't compare. I can say that the above listed packages performed well, and the truck drove/drives like nothing is behind it. My only issue with both trailers has been the amount of bouncing on our great California roads In Oregon( our only out state visits) I don't seem to have the problem of everything being on the floor.
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The dual cam is supposed to have independent sway control adjustment and weight distribution. So, your first move is to understand the cam adjustment, assuming you have established that the 800's shift enough weight and your receiver is not flexing. If you are at max sway control for your 800's then you may need to do some load adjustment in the coach. The more weight that you can remove off the rear, the less mass/force your hitch has to control. All the elements are related. If your tongue weight is balanced with the 800's then you may need to move to a PPP if the sway control proves to be insufficient with the dual cam. Seems unlikely, but it will take some tuning to establish ideal for your rig.

Note that the Blue Ox Sway Pro hitch has dependent weight distribution and sway control. It is not the same game.

Good luck with your tune. Proceed one parameter at a time and be conservative with your adjustment. You will see more sway under some wind and road conditions. Verify it's the tune that results in improvement or degradation. Pat
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Do the ratings on the bars have a bearing on the amount of sway control provided? I am getting a little sway/push from my 30' Classic. When we picked the trailer up and our dealer set up the Reese Dual Cam WD hitch, he said the 1000lb bars it came with would beat up the trailer. He switched it to 800 lb bars. I am wondering if that was a mistake as far as sway control goes. BTW, my TV is a 2018 F250 4x4 CC diesel.
I have a similar setup TV and trailer, but I have a ProPride hitch. I also had experienced a bit of push and sway. After working with Sean at ProPride, adding more pressure on the bars (1400) helped.

What really helped me was adding a full tank of fresh water before towing as I was told by serveral 30 Classic owners here. It worked so well that I also gained 1 MPG in performance. I still get a small amount of sway, but that may be attributed to the ProPride hitch "swinging" from side to side in certain conditions and may not really be called dangerous sway.

I recently added a rear sway bar (ford) and Bilstein shocks and notice a big improvement in the trucks handling. My trailer is in AZ so I can't test the towing experience, but I believe it will be better. The Platinum f-250 2017 did not come with a rear sway bar.
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I do not find 2017 F250 rear Bilsteins available. (coming soon)
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My only issue with both trailers has been the amount of bouncing on our great California roads In Oregon( our only out state visits) I don't seem to have the problem of everything being on the floor.

No kidding about the CA 405...some Cali roads are great but I've really taken notice of the surface irregularities in SoCal....that 405 is everything BUT flat.
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After looking at new trucks I decided to just do a full bulletproofing of my 2005 F250 6.0 which included Bilstein shocks all around and a lift kit to level the truck. It's a 4x4 Lariat with very low mileage. I'm towing a 2017 28' International with a 1,200# Equal-I-Zer 4 point system and couldn't be happier with performance. The only issue I have and it is likely due to adjustment is a small amount of squat on the truck. When it warms up I'll tune the hitch and check it on a CAT scale. I've only put a few thousand miles on the hitch but so far I have not noticed any adverse effects on the my AS. Because the hitch is stiffer than the 1,000# Fastway the dealer installed I expected to see chaos inside the trailer when I took it on our first trip with the new hitch ... not the case.
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