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12-14-2014, 03:21 PM
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Rivet Master
Port Orchard
, Washington
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 4,463
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Backing up a hill
We are presently engaged in an attempt to buy a new home. Everything about it is near perfect as far as the things we are looking for are concerned. However both the main driveway to the home and the driveway to the RV Parking area are both fairly steep. I am sure that we could not back our 31 foot long trailer up either driveway are things are now. I an fairly sure that completely loosening the WD on our ProPride hitch will not be enough to solve the problem. There is definitely a RV parking place at the top of the hill so something has made it up there before. Although we currently store our trailer while not using it, at least we can bring it home to load and unload it. If we don't find a solution to this problem we will have to find a new trailer. The trailer solution would be one with higher rear end ground clearance and/or shorter distance between the rear low spot and the rear trailer tires.
I am interested in any ideas anyone may have. Presently the trailer is in Colorado and the home is in Washington state. So at the present, trial and error is not possible. If we're are going to end up selling the Airstream, I would prefer to sell it here in Colorado, because it is somewhat centrally located. I also am interested in ideas for measurements that can be made on the hills to determine what I really might need to find in the way of a trailer.
The pictures are:
View from bottom of RV parking driveway.
Near the top of RV Parking driveway
Looking down the Main driveway.
Looking down the RV driveway
Ken
P.S. The blue building is not the house, but the house is blue too.
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12-14-2014, 04:16 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1961 22' Safari
Union
, Oregon
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 477
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Have you considered the possibility/cost of restructuring the driveway(s) to match your trailer?
Just a thought.
Sam
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12-14-2014, 04:21 PM
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Rivet Master
Port Orchard
, Washington
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 4,463
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Quote:
Originally Posted by samb
Have you considered the possibility/cost of restructuring the driveway(s) to match your trailer?
Just a thought.
Sam
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Thanks Sam,
We thought about that, but I think we might have to cut back so far it would interfere with the parking. That has not been totally ruled out yet though.
Ken
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12-14-2014, 04:28 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1975 31' Sovereign
Palomar Mountain
, California
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 355
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I agree with 'samb'. It might be cheaper than getting a new AS and provide a better access and pad outside (larger) your garage to move your driveway access up the hill to be level with your garage, build a retaining wall where your present driveway access is now and thus increase the area outside your garage at the same time.
I have tractor - will be over in the morning - have coffee ready!!
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12-14-2014, 04:34 PM
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Rivet Master
Port Orchard
, Washington
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 4,463
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Hawk
I agree with 'samb'. It might be cheaper than getting a new AS and provide a better access and pad outside (larger) your garage to move your driveway access up the hill to be level with your garage, build a retaining wall where your present driveway access is now and thus increase the area outside your garage at the same time.
I have tractor - will be over in the morning - have coffee ready!!
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By moving the access up the hill , do you mean moving the driveway entrance up the hill on the road?
I wonder if I could do that with a Bobcat. I've always wanted one.
Ken
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12-14-2014, 04:43 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2011 27 FB International
Tucson
, Arizona
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 258
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What samb and Silver Hawk said. Don't have a lot of perspective but it seems that you could cut a new access from further up to the right of the first picture. Choice #2 is to trade me your 31' Classic for a SOB with the axle flopped over - even trade
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12-14-2014, 04:44 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2013 25' FB Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Colorado Springs
, Colorado
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 125
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You should consider a "trailer Tug". There are quite a few companies that have trailer tugs, electric or gas. No backing up that drive way, pull in, block and unhook, then use the "trailer-tug" to turn and maneuver the trailer into the parking space. Even the more expensive versions are far less expensive than restructuring the driveway or selling the Airstream. The Trailer Tug Pro can handle a 14,000lb trailer with a 1500lb young weight as an example, and can turn a trailer in its own length!! Google "trailer tug" to start you search.
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12-14-2014, 04:46 PM
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Rivet Master
1988 25' Excella
1987 32' Excella
Knoxville
, Tennessee
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 5,103
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Very pretty place. I can not judge the slopes from the picture. I would want to be positive it would not work before I got rid of the trailer. Unless you really want a shorter or different trailer anyway. From the picture I would guess that the trailer might go up it. Another issue might be traffic on the street you would be backing from. One measurement you could make would be basically the slope of the driveway in the first few feet where it enters the road. This measurment compared with the overhang of the trailer should tell you if it will hit at the back. Can you take the weight bars completely off a Pro Pride?
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12-14-2014, 04:48 PM
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Rivet Master
2014 27' FB Eddie Bauer
Chelsea
, Michigan
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 1,792
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For what it's worth, I would first pursue the "trial & error" approach to see just how much of change might be needed to the driveway to accommodate your trailer on that site. Unless you already plan to get rid of this trailer for another reason unrelated to this particular challenge, the cost/hassle of selling and then purchasing a replacement trailer/RV might be more of an issue than whatever "advantage" selling it while you are still in Colorado might bring. Make some standby alternative storage arrangements near the new home to take the pressure off a "quick pre-move sale" so you can take your time and figure this out with a cool and fully informed head!
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12-14-2014, 05:02 PM
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Slowpoke
2012 27' Flying Cloud
Portland
, Oregon
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 255
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Find a different house.
Or, find covered storage for the trailer. It's fitting that the pix you posted showed wet pavement, which is the prevailing condition here in the NW. If you park it outside, mushrooms will start to grow in the carpeting right away.
Seriously, all trailers leak, and yours will too if you keep it outdoors in our lovely climate.
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12-14-2014, 05:16 PM
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Master of Universe
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction
, Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 12,702
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Here are a few options:
1. Get a front hitch and back it up the driveway while you drive forward and can see what you are doing. You'll be able to maneuver the trailer better. If the Pro Pride does not have a standard ball, this may not work.
2. Drive up there and back down. This may run into problems if you live on a busy street.
3. Drive up there and use a front hitch to turn it around.
4. There are motorized dollies to move trailers. They are not tugs and cost a lot less. But they may not have the power to make the hill, though it could be used to turn it around. I wouldn't be sure I'd want to come down with one except very slowly. Here's a link: Parkit360 Power Dolly Looks like it costs about $1,500 and can move a 5th wheel. It can engage the trailer brakes too.
5. Buy an ox and use it to move the trailer. It will keep the grass short too.
6. Buy a crane.
7. Put in a turntable to turn the trailer around. You could get rid of the blue building and build a roundhouse and paint it blue.
8. Cats are very strong for their size—your 3 cats may be able to handle it.
Gene
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The Airstream is sold; a 2016 Nash 24M replaced it.
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12-14-2014, 05:17 PM
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Rivet Master
Airstream - Other
2016 Interstate Grand Tour Ext
Bosque Farms
, New Mexico
Join Date: Jan 2004
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Buy yourself a Ford 8N tractor (made from 1947 to 1953), hitch on, and tow it up there. Leave the tractor attached. When you want to go on a trip, back it down into the street, and hitch onto the truck.
Lynn
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12-14-2014, 05:39 PM
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Slowpoke
2012 27' Flying Cloud
Portland
, Oregon
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 255
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Quote:
Originally Posted by eubank
Buy yourself a Ford 8N tractor (made from 1947 to 1953), hitch on, and tow it up there. Leave the tractor attached. When you want to go on a trip, back it down into the street, and hitch onto the truck.
Lynn
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Sweet!
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2012 FC27FB "Ted Zeppelin"
2010 Tundra Crewmax Platinum "Silver Rhino"
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12-14-2014, 05:56 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 23' Safari SE
Biloxi
, Mississippi
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 8,278
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Suggestion, before selling your trailer or starting expensive remodeling try backing the trailer in. Who knows, it might actually not be as difficult as you are making yourself believe.
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12-14-2014, 05:56 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2009 27' FB International
LA LA Land...
, California
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 290
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I've pulled in and out of our driveway hundreds of times and it's just as steep (with WD still installed). From the pictures, it doesn't look like it will be a problem at all.
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12-14-2014, 06:34 PM
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Rivet Master
Port Orchard
, Washington
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 4,463
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Thanks for all the ideas. I thought it was not going to be a problem, when I first saw pictures of the driveways. However when I actually saw it in person last week, I discovered that pictures don't do it justice. It's steeper than it appears in photos.
The tractor or tug idea might be an option.
Concerning, the wet weather, I lived in western Washington the first fifty years of my life so I know what I'm getting into. The pictures were taken last Tuesday, while the storms were just starting to get wound up.
I wish I had taken my laser level with me so I could measure the actual slope. I'll do that the next time I go out there. The hitch bars on our ProPride do not detach conveniently, but I think newer models may be different.
I have a lot of research to do. Keep the ideas coming.
Ken
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12-14-2014, 06:37 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2015 23' International
Charleston
, South Carolina
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 168
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Front hitch has my vote. I don't have a slope but have a difficult approach into back yard. The front hitch, aside from the obvious visual advantage, allows very sharp turns without the problem of the TV swinging off the rumb line. It's a huge advantage.
Your driveway looks tight and hard to say for certain if it will work, but a front hitch will allow you to approach the transition at a flat angle and then swing hard and recover without jackknifing.
Another potential advantage (and maybe disadvantage) is that he front suspension is softer than the rear. My 4wd 1/2 ton Silverado drops hard under the weight of the tongue (23D). This would help you . . . Up to a point. 4wd on soft ground allows me to push it in easily, but sharp turns would be harder on asphalt with axles locked.
All this is speculation for your particular situation, but front receivers are not too expensive so might be something to consider.
Steve
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12-14-2014, 06:55 PM
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Rivet Master
Port Orchard
, Washington
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 4,463
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FollySteve
Front hitch has my vote. I don't have a slope but have a difficult approach into back yard. The front hitch, aside from the obvious visual advantage, allows very sharp turns without the problem of the TV swinging off the rumb line. It's a huge advantage.
Your driveway looks tight and hard to say for certain if it will work, but a front hitch will allow you to approach the transition at a flat angle and then swing hard and recover without jackknifing.
Another potential advantage (and maybe disadvantage) is that he front suspension is softer than the rear. My 4wd 1/2 ton Silverado drops hard under the weight of the tongue (23D). This would help you . . . Up to a point. 4wd on soft ground allows me to push it in easily, but sharp turns would be harder on asphalt with axles locked.
All this is speculation for your particular situation, but front receivers are not too expensive so might be something to consider.
Steve
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I agree that all of this is speculation until I get all the facts straight, but it's good to have all of these options mentioned. I wonder what my approximately 1000 lb tongue weight would do the truck's front end. It's a 3/4 ton dodge diesel 4X4.
Ken
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12-14-2014, 07:09 PM
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Firedog1
2018 30' Classic
Woodbridge Connecticut &
, Venice Florida
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 243
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get a parkit360 drive straight in un hitch and use the Parkit360 to turn it around.
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2018 Classic 30
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12-14-2014, 07:58 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2015 23' International
Charleston
, South Carolina
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 168
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Ken,
For what it's worth, 23D spec is 720 on the hitch. 1000 on 3/4 ton sounds heavy, but not crazy. The hill begs for 4wd low but the sharp turns on asphalt are a concern.
I fretted on our house over the whole "will it work" issue. Ultimately passed on a 25 and went with a 23 over the issue. As you are doing, I researched and considered and then did my best. Turns out for my situation, with the front hitch, a 25 would have worked. Pretty easily.
Vertical grade transitions are probably less forgiving. Think about clearance of tongue jack and mounted tongue hardware for hitch bars. In my case, hitch hardware drags before anything else.
HTH
Steve
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