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Old 11-22-2015, 02:18 PM   #15
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"What does the yellow door sticker on the drivers side frame of your tow vehicle say? I would be very surprised if it does say 1547#."

It states 1547#. That is where I got that figure.
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Old 11-22-2015, 03:04 PM   #16
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Thank you everyone for you insight. Very much appreciated. So here are my current thoughts:

I agree that getting an Airstream that doesn't match our preferences would be a mistake. We had looked very closely at the 23FB first, but after comparing that floorplan with the 25FB Twin, we just think that would work much better for us - extra seating, the ability to more easily seat 4 at the dinette if we have company, the ability to stand in the middle of the bedroom for dressing, panoramic windows at both ends, and the separate bathroom and shower to name a few. We are trying to avoid the "we really should have gotten something a little bigger" syndrome.

I really like the Colorado, and it also works great as a separate vehicle when not towing. We don't plan to be full timers. Plus, we aren't in a position to also replace that right now.

With 1547# payload capacity, minus the weight of 2 passengers, our dog, the WD hitch, and some misc. extras, we'd have ~1060# for the tongue weight. We plan on staying in fairly flat areas around FL and the southeast as we get used to Airstreaming, until we retire in a couple of years. We would mostly be staying where we have shore power, so we'd even be fine with only 1 of the LP tanks. I could just take one out and store it until later. We'd just proactively fill up the one tank as needed.

We would travel light, only bringing what we need. Some of the perishable things we can just purchase when we get to where were going, use them, and never really need to tow them.

After we retire, we can consider swapping out the tow vehicle for something that would allow us to handle the mountains. By then we would have much more experience and be better prepared for a longer journey.

Seem logical?
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Old 11-22-2015, 03:41 PM   #17
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I have to wonder why you bothered to post if your mind was already made up. Most posters told you not to do it but you will do it anyhow. There was a wreck up in Maine when we were there this fall, a TV that was underrated for the TT. I hope you do not become one of those statistics. Oh, I do think your choice of a 25 is a good choice.
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Old 11-22-2015, 03:57 PM   #18
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Thank you everyone for you insight. Very much appreciated. So here are my current thoughts:

Seem logical?
So much has to do with the connection and set up. Getting it right, hardware choice and adjustments will make all the difference. You should spend some time researching that part of the equation to be sure you get an optimal connection.
PS... Our payload rating for our car is under 1,000lbs and we are within spec towing our 23.
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Old 11-22-2015, 03:58 PM   #19
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It is not getting the rig moving that is as important as getting it stopped, especially in an emergency.

In the heavy Florida rains, it would be easy to hydroplane at an inconvenient time and if the 25FB loaded weighs more than your truck, a jack knife could happen in a heart beat.

You need to actually get inside a 25FB and experience the bed arrangement. Lie on the front edge of the bed and sit up. The non-existent walk space around the front edge of the bed was an issue for us, plus hitting my head if I sat up in bed. Many folks like this setup and some get the 25FB Flying Cloud trim line with twin beds that are in line with the frame. See both models.
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Old 11-22-2015, 08:14 PM   #20
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Simply based on the numbers you provided you are not legal to tow a 25' with the truck you now have. Not saying you'd go to jail etc, but if in an accident or stopped by some local who knows what he is doing the only thing that counts are the sticker on the drivers side of the Airstream with the stats and the door sticker on the drivers side frame of your tow vehicle.
That is 100% incorrect. While there might be many a practical reason not to tow with your truck, legal worries aren't one of them.
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"What does the yellow door sticker on the drivers side frame of your tow vehicle say? I would be very surprised if it does say 1547#."

It states 1547#. That is where I got that figure.
That is impressive payload for a midsize truck and is higher than some full size trucks were only a couple of years ago.
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Old 11-22-2015, 09:29 PM   #22
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First, hello all. We have been reading the forums for a bit as we research and get ready to buy our first Airstream. We know the one we want, but we just want to get some thoughts on if we would be pushing the capacity of our tow vehicle too far.



Tow Vehicle: Chevy Colorado with trailering package. Rated at 7000# towing capacity, 1547# cargo capacity, and 5800# GVWR. We already have this truck, and aren't wanting to make a vehicle change right now.



We would be traveling mostly east of the Rockies (we live in FL), but would also love to be able to go west as part of a National Park tour.



The model we are wanting is the 25FB, which has a base weight of 5503#, and a GVWR of 7300#. We would be planning on traveling fairly light, meaning not carrying a lot of water weight, and would likely keep the trailer <= 6500#. We would plan on getting a WD hitch.



Are we dreaming, or is it feasible to tow the 25FB with this setup?

Hi. How many of you will be camping? We have friends - a couple who camps with two small Scotty dogs and themselves. They have a Bambi and love it! If it's just 2 of you and you're dead set against a different tow vehicle, you might want to consider something smaller than a 25.

While able to tow 7000# (which would likely cover a 25 loaded for camping), your payload would be severely challenged. Even with 1500# payload in your truck, count on at least 1000+ of that being chewed up by tongue weight which counts against your payload. So you're going to have about 500# left for people, gear, tools, fuel (if that's not already counted in payload). Really not much.

And then frankly, you'd be at the edge of what the system is capable of doing. Not that you couldn't do it - you'd probably just be a bit hampered from a capability perspective and stressing the truck to its limits.

See if you can sit in several of them at a dealer and get a sense for how smaller units might work for you. If you must have a 25, you could see how it feels for you with the Colorado and just prepare for an alternative tow vehicle if you're not happy with the performance.

Another option could earlier Airstreams which generally are lighter than current models.

Good luck!
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It is hard to accept going with a smaller Airstream if you think you will need/want a larger one.

I can't tell from your information if you intend to sleep 4 but only carry two in the truck (presumably another vehicle convoys along with?) Your computations deducted two people?

If you really anticipate 4 camping as a regular thing, the 25 might be a better choice. If that is not certain, one possibility might be to buy a used 22 or 23 foot Airstream with the thought that in the future you might consider an upgrade, with less lost in the changeover. I think a lot depends on the third and fourth campers... kids grow up and want to do their own thing. You might find it is just two of you camping. I might someday move up to a 25 foot. The recent 22 foot model has the ability to open the refrigerator door when you are seated in the 'horseshoe' with the table pulled out, but the larger 23 foot does not; the door hits the table when the table is in the extended position. Depending on where you are and availability, you could consider renting an Airstream for a while to determine your true needs.

My Airstream dealer STRONGLY suggested a longer wheelbase than my full sized Bronco with a 5.0 liter and full towing package. The length of the wheelbase apparently counts... more than pulling capacity as others have noted here.

I wanted to use a Tahoe but a couple of my employees with experience towing trailers convinced me that I should be looking at a truck for my 22' Safari with dual axles. Despite my desire to get better gas mileage when not towing, I listened to them and am very glad I did. I pull the 22 foot with a new Tundra. The 22' was used, the Tundra I bought as a tow vehicle after I bought the Airstream... but before I picked it up from the dealer. My employees told me I didn't need a diesel with the 22' based on weight and axles but a truck was, in their opinion, the right answer.

So here there are a good number of people with experience saying "not a good match". This should at least be reason to evaluate other options that ultimately get you where you want to be with the right trailer for you AND a right tow vehicle.

Hope it works out for you!
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Old 11-22-2015, 10:53 PM   #24
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I don't know how the Colorado is rated for towing but my F-150's "Max Tow" assumed no payload in the truck. Read your manual and check how they recommend to calculate towing capacity and payload. My F-150 had 8600# Max Tow, but I had to deduct any truck payload from that. So if your truck is the same way, you would only have towing capacity of about 5500#. Since the tongue weight is carried by the truck and not towed by it, you can deduct that from the trailer GVW to calculate towed weight.

Using your numbers, assume that you load the truck with tongue weight, passengers and stuff to get to 1547#. Subtract that from 7000 and that's what you can tow - 5453#. Add 1100# of tongue weight and your trailer can weigh 6553. That is maximum weight and leaves you no margin. That is why most are telling you that your situation is marginal.

I towed a 6300# 2001 25' Safari for a year with an F-150. Only 1400# of payload but 8600# max tow. I should have had a lot of margin but the truck wouldn't climb a 6-mile long grade with slopes at times around 8%. I now have a 3/4T diesel.


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Sealevel, if you're planning to pare down your discretionary weight to the point of removing a propane tank or traveling with an empty fresh water tank, let alone traveling with hardly any food in order to keep the weight down, it may be time to rethink either the TV, the trailer length, or both. Alternatively, if you shop around you may be able to find a decent used AS that would meet your needs and give you sufficient $$ to buy a beefier TV.

The Can-Am dealership in London, Ontario, Canada, advertise themselves as "the towing specialists," and they have got a lot of it down to a science. You might contact them for advice.

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You might want to check out the new Nissan Titan XD to be released on December 23rd. I looked at the truck they are driving to the dealers last week and I am sure it will handle 25er you are speaking of. Happy trails!
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Old 11-23-2015, 09:56 AM   #27
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The problem with the Nissan XD is that he first ones available are all going to be totally pimped out Platinum versions. Rated to tow over 10000#, with all those accessories they only have a payload of about 1700#.

It will probably be March before any of the basic or mid-trim XD's hit the dealerships.

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Simply based on the numbers you provided you are not legal to tow a 25' with the truck you now have. Not saying you'd go to jail etc, but if in an accident or stopped by some local who knows what he is doing the only thing that counts are the sticker on the drivers side of the Airstream with the stats and the door sticker on the drivers side frame of your tow vehicle.

Like has been said, legality aside, I believe your intended combination is marginal at best. It not so much towing that's an issue, it's stopping and sway that would concern me. In towing for over 45 years I've always error ed on the heavy side for tow vehicles when selecting one.

Like another poster said, you might want to consider a smaller Airstream for now or go to a larger tow vehicle. A 1/2 ton with tow package can very nicely tow a 25' AS.

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