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Old 09-09-2016, 04:08 PM   #43
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how did they manage in the 1970's ? V8 sedans with sloppy suspension ? You've seen their ads etc, how did they cope ?!
In my opinion 60s and 70s were not sloppy suspensions. Had cars from middle 40s up none had sloppy suspensions including some muscle cars. The stock cars that we raced were stock with roll bars insides stripped. Raced small bull rings both dirt and asphalt same cars just dif. tires so I stand on experience of these yrs.
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We have a PP hitch pulling a 31' AS with a Ford Excursion. Should be perfect setup. On interstate we went into a terrible sway. Caravan member behind us said he almost had to change his pants after watching us. Using brake controller my husband got it under control only to experience it a second time a few miles later. To this day I don't know why we didn't flip.

But I do know why we swayed. We pulled off with several other AS friends and as a group they completely took the PP apart and reassembled it. We had assembled it incorrectly. Works beautifully ever since. Lesson? Even the best setup sucks if you don't assemble properly.
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[QUOTE=Boxite;1848351]Using the trailer brakes might have helped, and we all have those. However, I'm not sure that once sway has surprised a driver that finding that brake-ctrl and applying it will be either easy or the first thing considered.... the first reaction will likely be directional-ctrl using the steering-wheel while simultaneously letting up on the gas.... neither particularly helpful.
I've several times, while underway, imagined the need to quickly apply trailer brakes and even tho' it's conveniently located..... it's not found/applied that quickly, IMO.





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With 50 plus years driving big trucks, and 30 years with trucks pulling pup trailers, the truck will always weigh more than the trailer ,and it will handle very good..truck at 55,5000 lbs with the trailer at 42,500 lbs....my 3/4 ton dodge weighs 8800 lbs with our 31' classic at 7400 lbs...handles like a dream...wind doesn't seem to be a bother...
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Old 09-09-2016, 07:57 PM   #47
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So sorry to hear about this! I guess fear of his this happening to us is the main reason we went from a Toyota Tundra to a Ford F250 Diesel, overkill I suppose and no guarentee's that it won't still happen, but I do sleep better.
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From personal experience, from my out of control sway thread, I eased off the gas to control the sway, everyone behind me on the freeway gave me room to slow down and pull off to the next exit. I had plenty of thumbs up, but my sway was from poor setup, lack of understanding loads and tongue weight. Believe me when I say, nothing like an experience like that will teach you a hard lesson. But, being on this thread with the support of positive, non-speculating members, gave me plenty of insight . I don't want to add to the speculation fuel, so I'll end my comment there. I concur with the tooooooooooo many factors statement.
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The driver lost control of the TV & AS.



It COULD happen to any of us.



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I don't have to speculate much to gather that trailer sway was THE major contributor to this accident.

If I remember correctly at least two witnesses including the driver stated this, as did the State Police.

If there was only a sure way to eliminate sway......


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Or a way to eliminate the effects of sway caused by improper loading, poor hitch setup, etc, etc, etc...
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First, I'm glad no one was hurt. Trailers and cars can be replaced, but not human lives.
Second, kudos to Toyota for making such a safe vehicle. Its amazing that no one was seriously hurt in such an awful accident. A lesser vehicle and the outcome may have been different.
I don't believe there are any silver bullets when it comes to sway. Every tool (hitch) has an operating range, go outside that range and it will not function as advertised.
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The driver lost control of the TV & AS.

It COULD happen to any of us.

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There is. Don't tow.
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Been towing trailers all my life - I've had 'fishtailing' happen twice. Both times was due to improper weight distribution in trailer, ie., not enough tongue weight.
Could or could not be the a problem here, but: If it was loaded unevenly inside (stuff in back), weight added to rear bumper (long fulcrum), fresh water tank almost empty up forward thus gray/black tanks full to the rear at end of trip, etc. would cause lighter tongue weight.

Fishtailing is very scary when it happens - better to heavy than too light!

So glad they lived through it! Could have been bad!
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Who here is a forensic crash specialist? Anybody?
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