Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 01-31-2015, 10:13 AM   #15
Vintage Kin
 
slowmover's Avatar
 
Fort Worth , Texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 7,583
Images: 1
With a VPP hitch these trailers tow better than any 5er. Those are burdened by high COG, crap suspension, and huge sail area. The idea that a 5er tows better has always been ludicrous, but 97% of trailer owners can't be bothered to get best WD performance, thus the myth.

There is no substitute for setting the WD on a certified scale. Past that there is no substitute for a VPP hitch, only significantly inferior performance no matter how well set up given most combinations.
__________________

__________________
1990 35' Silver Streak Sterling; 9k GVWR.
2004 DODGE Cummins 305/555; 6-manual; 9k GVWR.
Hensley Arrow. 9-cpm solo, 15-cpm towing
Sold: Silver Streak Model 3411
slowmover is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2015, 10:25 AM   #16
Rivet Master
 
murreywalker's Avatar
 
2013 25' FB Flying Cloud
2011 23' FB Flying Cloud
Branson , Missouri
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 734
Images: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS View Post
........ the obsession with the cost of the PPP/Hensley?

....... spend all that money on a new 27'+ Airstream with all the "mandatory" stuff and upgrades that goes along with it, not to mention the TV, and then flinch at the cost of a hitch system that will add greatly to the enjoyment/safety of using said investment.

Maybe an additional 2-3%...

Bob
No obsession with the cost difference at all, Bob.

My decision was made when one of the head techs (not Chris) at Jackson Center helped me with my Reese. His comment of, "I use the Reese, too.", spoke volumes to me.

Perhaps that Hensley/PP peace of mind is priceless to some, butÖ

__________________

__________________
2013 25 FC FB (Twin)
2013 Suburban 2500

http://www.pbase.com/murreywalker

2011 23 FC FB
murreywalker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2015, 10:29 AM   #17
2 Rivet Member
 
Portland , Oregon
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 69
Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS View Post
........ the obsession with the cost of the PPP/Hensley?

....... spend all that money on a new 27'+ Airstream with all the "mandatory" stuff and upgrades that goes along with it, not to mention the TV, and then flinch at the cost of a hitch system that will add greatly to the enjoyment/safety of using said investment.

Maybe an additional 2-3%...

Bob
According to this logic, every owner should upgrade:
1. To 16" LT tires, because they never experience blowouts
2. To a one ton dually, because it tows better

It's only money after all.

There are numerous hitches that when setup properly, with conservative driving habits, will provide the same experience. Reese, Blue Ox Sway Pro, Equalizer, just to name a few. Not everyone needs or can afford the most expensive.

The most important thing is the setup.
__________________
2015 Nash 24M
2014 Tundra DC Limited TRD (Sold)
2016 Ram 3500 CTD SRW CC
Blue Ox SwayPro
Still looking at Airstreams....
MacPDX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2015, 11:02 AM   #18
Rivet Master
 
lsbrodsky's Avatar
 
2012 25' FB International
Trent Woods , North Carolina
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 1,687
It used to be amusing to read these threads, but how many times can you read "I am right because...." and still be amused? Yet people continue to think they are going to obtain useful information by asking such questions.
I am convinced that you cannot expect to hear what tow vehicle, what hitch, or even what size trailer is the right choice by reading opinions on this forum.
You will end up befuddled and will need to do even more thorough research elsewhere. Maybe that says there is no right choice; you just have to make a decision and live with it. Of course if you have unlimited funds just buy the biggest tow vehicle, the most expensive hitch, and the longest AS with all of the options, including an electric awning.
Life was easier for me. I already had a TV I wanted to use, I fell into a deal I could not pass up for my AS, so I only looked to the forum for advice on a hitch. After sifting through a gazillion threads, I concluded that I could not go wrong, under any circumstance, with the ProPride, and that it would give me maximum peace of mind for safety. I have not regretted that decision for even a millisecond. I do not pretend to be right. I just made my decision and I am happy with it.
Larry
__________________
lsbrodsky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2015, 11:12 AM   #19
4 Rivet Member

 
2003 31' Classic
Terra Alta , West Virginia
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 266
I really think that first order of business is to have capable t vehicle. And PROPER height and set up of hitch. I have not done comparison but have towesd thousands of miles with premium Reese dual cam and have had no issues at all. Have long wheelbase 96 F250 4x4 powerstroke scab with 31' 2003 Classic. A friend has Hensley and likes it.
__________________
wvstreamer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2015, 11:20 AM   #20
CLOUDSPLITTER "Tahawas"
 
ROBERT CROSS's Avatar

 
2003 25' Classic
Zanadude Nebula , WNY
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 11,153
Images: 1
Wink

Quote:
Originally Posted by MacPDX View Post
According to this logic, every owner should upgrade:
1. To 16" LT tires, because they never experience blowouts
2. To a one ton dually, because it tows better

It's only money after all.

There are numerous hitches that when setup properly, with conservative driving habits, will provide the same experience. Reese, Blue Ox Sway Pro, Equalizer, just to name a few. Not everyone needs or can afford the most expensive.

The most important thing is the setup.
Bingo....you are exactly rite, almost, there is no logic here, only opinions, and we all have our own.

The most important thing is thoughtful rationalization. TETO

Bob
__________________
ROBERT CROSS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2015, 11:21 AM   #21
Lost in America
 
mojo's Avatar
 
2015 27' FB International
2006 25' Safari FB SE
2004 19' International CCD
Oak Creek , Arizona
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,506
The best hitch is the one you have. Have towed with Reese, Equalizer, Hensley and on the ball with nothing but $50 sway bar. They will all work...depending on the size of the trailer and tow vehicle. If you don't like the one you have, sell it and buy a different one.
__________________
This is the strangest life I've ever known - J. Morrison

The Nest Egg - 2015 Airstream International Serenity 27FB
Silverado 2500HD Chevy Duramax Diesel

mojo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2015, 11:24 AM   #22
Rivet Master
 
dkottum's Avatar
 
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake , Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 7,716
O.P. has a 2015 25' FC Airstream and 2013 F150 Ecobooost. Question is about hitch recommendation for his combo.
__________________
Doug and Cheryl
2012 FC RB, Michelin 16, ProPride 1400
2016 Ram 1500 Laramie Crew Cab 4X4 Ecodiesel 3.92 axles

The Truth is More Important Than the Facts
dkottum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2015, 11:34 AM   #23
4 Rivet Member
 
Zigidachs's Avatar
 
2011 30' Classic
Ridgefield , Washington
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 297
Images: 1
The engineer who originally designed the Hensley left that company and started ...with others...the Pro Pride...and "enhanced" the product. We have the Pro Pride, and "we won't leave home without it"!

We have NEVER experienced any sway problems while on the road, either from passing trucks or weather. It is as stable as an immoveable rock!
__________________
Zigidachs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2015, 11:52 AM   #24
Tom T
 
Tom_T's Avatar
 
Vintage Kin Owner
Orange , California
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 553
We have the Hensley Cub - a lighter wt. capacity & $1000 less costly version of the Arrow for trailers 6000# & less with max 600# HW - which suits our vintage 1960 Avion T20 fine at 3000# +/- & it's a bit more squirrelly naturally without anti-sway, being a single axle. We love it!

Since we're still renting until we find our preferred TV, we've towed with both Ford F150 & F250 with their built-in AS, as well as with Dodge 2500's & the prior to current body-on-frame Nissan Pathfinders - which are close in wheelbase & size to the Cayenne S we're looking for now.

The Cub worked great on all types, & was a huge improvement over the 2 tows on a bare ball!!

Others have their opinions & preferences, so it's a bit like asking about religion or politics!

Good Luck!
Tom
///////
__________________
Tom T (janabanana48's other half )
Orange CA
1960 Avion T20, #2 made, Hensley Cub, TV tbd- looking for 08-14 Cayenne S
1988 VW Vanagon Westfalia CamperGL (Orig Owner)
Tom_T is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2015, 12:05 PM   #25
2 Rivet Member
 
2014 23' FB Flying Cloud
Mill Valley , Left Coast
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 61
Quote:
Originally Posted by dkottum View Post
O.P. has a 2015 25' FC Airstream and 2013 F150 Ecobooost. Question is about hitch recommendation for his combo.
I have a 23'FC FB witha F-250 and a blue -ox system. It feels like it's not even behind me

JB
__________________
jbxx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2015, 12:07 PM   #26
Rivet Master
 
J. Morgan's Avatar

 
1972 31' Sovereign
1975 31' Excella 500
Currently Looking...
Benton , Arkansas
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 5,040
Images: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by BoldAdventure View Post
It's funny you state that. The thing that comes to mind Bob, is the number of folks on this site ho espouse the idea of NO DEBT lifestyle and eschew credit. If you're one of these people, than a 2~3K hitch becomes a big deal vs a $300 hitch when you'll be paying cash. (also, most of the folks on this forum are older, and many on fixed retirement incomes) And it makes it something folks have to plan for, and obviously, that would mean considering if it is even worth the investment or not.

Not to say it isn't worth the investment, but I can think of a lot of expensive things folks think are worth the money that simply are not, and are just a "me too" purchase.



Me, I'm planning for it. In my own order of operations, which means I'll use what came with mine until I finish the other big dollar items on my list, cause it works.

I bought mine used for $1,200 delivered to my door. If a budget minded person is patient, well.. You know.

I doubt that 90% of the people who have pulled with one of these hitches will say it is a "me too" purchase.

In a day where unmet expectations are the rule, especially concerning "premium products", this purchase for me delightfully lived up to every bit up to the hype.

Simple geometry integrated into a simple product that very effectively deals with an issue in a simply elegant manner.


1/2 Ton 4WD Truck, 72 Sovereign Hensley Arrow
__________________
The fact that I am opinionated does not presuppose that I am wrong......

J. Morgan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2015, 12:12 PM   #27
2 Rivet Member
 
2004 25' Safari
1968 17' Caravel
Fountain Valley , California
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 86
Don't forget the importance of tires

I won't go into details, but my second airstream was a 27-footer. It had anti-sway & load levelers, but it didn't seem super stable. I was pulling it with a 1/2 ton Silverado and a couple of years ago I rolled it. (I initially purchased a 1/2 ton pickup because I was pulling a 17-foot Airstream, then added the 27-footer).

I replaced the 27-footer with a 25-foot Airstream. A few months back I noticed my truck tires were getting weather-checked and having purchased them at Costco asked them about it. As the tires were about 4 1/2 years old they did a pro-rata replacement based on remaining tread (all tire warranties go away at 5-years). Upon further discussion I found that the 3/4 ton & 1-ton trucks use higher pressure tires than the 1/2 ton trucks.

I wound up replacing my four "Michelin Latitude Tour tires P245/65R17" with "Michelin LTX M/S 2, ALL SEASON, LT265/70R17 LRE ORWL, MSPN 97723" tires. The original tires were the largest recommended for the 1/2 ton pickup and had a max pressure of 44 psi, whereas the new tires had a max pressure of 80 psi. (A set of four of the replacement tires cost about $250 more than replacing with the original tires, or about $1,300 if purchased outright).

The towing difference with these more rigid sidewall tires were like night and day. In fact, I wondered if I might not have rolled my 27-foot Airstream if I would have had these tires on the truck.

Inflation: Everybody I talked to had different recommended pressures for the new tires. I settled in on 70 psi for the front tires, 75 psi for the rear, and 40 psi for the spare (I didn't upgrade the spare).

Now, I haven't addressed the anti-sway system as I'm not an expert there, other than to say make sure you also have a good anti-sway system. I've seen people towing new Airstreams without anti-sway and I ask them why, before relating my story of having rolled one. They typically say the dealer told them they didn't need one.

I have to confess that on my older 17-footer I only have a load-leveler hitch. With it I have never noticed any sway issues, so I am OK leaving it as it is (I almost never use it, as we use the 25-footer almost exclusively).

My whole point here is anti-sway systems are extremely important, but with a 1/2 ton pickup tire selection can also make a vast difference.
__________________
WindyJim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2015, 12:26 PM   #28
Rivet Master
 
gypsydad's Avatar

 
2017 28' Flying Cloud
2014 25' FB Flying Cloud
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Austin (winter) Lincoln MT (summer) , Texas & Montana
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,091
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guyel View Post
Just purchased a new 2015 FC Twin from Tampa RV today. They offer the Reese hitch and sway control system. I have a 2013 Ford F150 super crew Ecoboost with tow package for a TV. After reading the forum on hitches and sway control I'm really at a loss as to what to purchase. The F150 states it has a sway control as standard feature but I don't know if this is all I need to tow the 25' FC?? Any comments on this subject?

Does anyone use the Reese system or is there one that is considered the best?

Sold a 40' Tiffin Class A several years ago and I used a Blue Ox to tow a Honda CRV for over 38000 miles but sway control was not needed.

Thanks
As you can see, opinions are free here....we are on our 3rd 25' and second twin; this time a new 2014, 25'FC front bed twin model. We have 2012 SuperCrew F150 4X4, Patinum. We have had Reese dual cam, Hensley both of which came with first 2 AS's. The Reese was fine with our 06' model. The Hensley was worn with our 08' model and did not last long; we replaced with BlueOx Sway Pro; towed for 7K+ miles and when we purchased our new 2014 in June last year, we selected the new BlueOx SwayPro. Money not an object; we simply had good experience with the SwayPro sow why switch? Now have 5K miles and no issues...I see the Equalizer "only" thread, and I read about the "add a washer here; take out a washer there" back and forth. We certainly don't have those issues with SwayPro. After 3 25' AS's and no issues at all with BlueOx SwayPro, we would purchase again when we upgrade to next model- hopefully, with ducted air! My 2 cents....
Forgot to add; we disengage the automatic Sway Sensor each time we start the engine, when we are pulling the AS...I was told by 2 dealers, it works against the anti-sway with SwayPro tow system we use on the AS... not an expert here, but again, no issues over past 3 years and lots of miles...
__________________

__________________
gypsydad is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Does Dodge RAM's Integrated Sway Control Work Well With Friction Sway Control? interstateflyer Towing, Tow Vehicles & Hitches 9 08-13-2014 11:05 AM
Equal-i-zer Sway Control Hitch vs Blue Ox Sway Pro airstreampek Hitches, Couplers & Balls 31 06-18-2014 11:56 PM
Sway bars and sway control phibbs Towing, Tow Vehicles & Hitches 1 09-03-2012 06:48 AM
L-pins are grinding against the sway bars on my Equal-i-zer sway control hitch Simoneau Hitches, Couplers & Balls 9 06-20-2009 09:28 AM


Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:34 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.