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Old 09-25-2016, 07:11 PM   #15
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This thread shows how one member reduced tongue weight so he could tow his 27 with even a more payload challenged tow vehicle.

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Old 09-26-2016, 05:17 AM   #16
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I pull a 26 U with about the same truck you have (1500 Silverado with 5.3) and feel it is great. Try it with out the equalizer, you may love it.
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Old 10-11-2016, 07:36 PM   #17
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I fess up. I'm lousy at math. I purchased this truck with a 3.55 rear end. Is this enough truck to pull a 26U trailer with Equalizer hitch? We intend to use it for one or two trips a year through the west. I intend to pull with the trailer weighing about 6500 lbs. The truck has a tow/haul option.
Many thanks in advance. Jim Ford
It all comes down to payload. Open the drivers door and look for GVWR on the tag on the jamb. For that truck, it's probably around 7200 lbs. now bring the truck to a Cat scale and weigh it. My guess is that with your stuff, gas and options, the truck weighs around 6000-6200 lbs. on the high end, that leaves you with roughly 1200 lbs to fill up the rest of your fuel tank, add extra camping stuff in the bed, drop roughly 800 lbs of trailer weight on the hitch, and put people in the cab. That math might add up, but it will definitely leave you with little to no margin of error.
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Old 10-27-2016, 09:39 PM   #18
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We have 26U that took deliver in Sept and our tow vehicle is Ram 1500 eco diesel. The ecodiesel is equipped with tow mirrors and brake controller. The rear differential is 3.92 limited slip on 2 by 4 Laramie Crew cab. The ecodiesel does great job towing, able to maintain highway speeds of 65 to 70 in Florida without difficulty. We used the blue ox weight distributing hitch, which maintained good trailer stability and sway control. Cat scales reveal gross weight of 13000 lbs, Steer axle of 3100 lbs and drive axle of 3900 lbs. The trailer was full of fresh water and camping gear, no water in gray or blank tanks. I believe if you keep the bed of truck lightly loaded that you will be fine the Ram 1500 ecodiesel
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Old 10-27-2016, 11:15 PM   #19
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stevenson748, we were able to get the load more evenly distributed on the axles by cranking in some more weight distribution, within 20 lbs of each other. Really nice, smooth towing as you report. We're out West right now and it's doing a great job, smooth and remarkable fuel economy. We're still looking for a 20 mpg day at 63-65 mph, got close the other day at 19.2 (about 2 mpg higher than usual on good roads).
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Old 10-28-2016, 06:18 PM   #20
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This was my original set up from dealer, I have been able to improve the set up but have not been back to scales to see the results. We also added air springs to frame and Green engine tune with exhaust brake. Look forward to getting up in mountains some time next summer
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Old 10-28-2016, 06:54 PM   #21
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Hi Eric, we have another member here (VernDiesel) with an EcoDiesel, many miles delivering Airstreams for a living. Has some great insight on this truck, including using an after market tune. You may want to search his posts for good info.

We have also considered the aftermarket tune for the enhanced turbo brake function. We already have this exhaust braking function with the stock factory tune, the ECM controls and closes the opening of the turbo vanes to create exhaust back pressure. The tune closes them a little more.

There is no switch, it's activated either by engaging cruise control and setting the speed you wish to hold, or engaging Tow/Haul Mode and stepping on the brake to get down to the speed you want to hold. On the really steep grades with a large trailer in tow it will need assistance from our truck and trailer service brakes because the turbo vanes do not close off completely, some exhaust back pressure is released.

It's like a lot of things with a good tow vehicle, learn what it can do with experience, operate it within those parameters, and it performs beautifully for you. Take the advice of the internet Google experts with a grain of salt.
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None of our Ecodiesels come from the factory with an exhaust brake in the stock tune. But they do use the transmission and grade shifting to help maintain speed when descending a grade. There are multiple tunes out the that program exhaust braking in. One thing to note though is they can cause your truck to run hotter while pulling that grade.
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Old 10-28-2016, 08:53 PM   #23
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I've been there done that.....pulled my 25' AS with a 2015 RAM Laramie Limited 4x4 ecodiesel across the Rocky Mountains. 10,120 mile trip lasting 10 weeks this past summer. The results!! Great mpg 16.2, easy towing for the whole trip, we also use an Equilazer WDH. My truck had air bag suspension which helped in the payload area as the 850lb payload was very low & I was over "budget" on payload. Climbing 6&7 % grades was ok as long as I keep the speed around 45mph otherwise I would overheat. Very capable truck but, yes but, it is more for economy & flat towing rather than mountain climbing. I had the ecodiesel for just short of 2 Years & 37k miles total before trading, it served me well.
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Joe, help us on your experience determining whether the stock EcoDiesel tune utilizes the turbo vanes for brake assist. Realizing of course it cannot be compared to the separate exhaust brake valve on the Cummins for effectiveness.

Towing through New Mexico mountains last week I noticed much stronger engine/transmission barking if the cruise control was engaged, or with Tow/Haul engaged and setting a speed with the truck service brake.

Are we getting some turbo vane activation in these modes, using exhaust back pressure to help slow the vehicle? Or is it just downshifting and engine compression working together?

The GDE tune folks call their turbo brake tune an "enhanced" turbo brake, which indicates (vaguely) they are increasing a function that is already in place.
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The Cummins in the 2500-3500 use the vgt turbo just like the tuners do to our Ecodiesels.
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Joe, help us on your experience determining whether the stock EcoDiesel tune utilizes the turbo vanes for brake assist. Realizing of course it cannot be compared to the separate exhaust brake valve on the Cummins for effectiveness.

Towing through New Mexico mountains last week I noticed much stronger engine/transmission barking if the cruise control was engaged, or with Tow/Haul engaged and setting a speed with the truck service brake.

Are we getting some turbo vane activation in these modes, using exhaust back pressure to help slow the vehicle? Or is it just downshifting and engine compression working together?

The GDE tune folks call their turbo brake tune an "enhanced" turbo brake, which indicates (vaguely) they are increasing a function that is already in place.

From my experience & what I've researched.........down hill assist only works during the tow/haul mode, tapping the brake initiates it on the decline. My RAM had the 8 speed tranny which in some respects made that feature somewhat mute as going from 8,7 or 6th gear did not do much in the way of slowing you down on a steep grade so using the manual + - was necessary. My Nissan Titan/Cummins has a 6 speed so in tow mode the downshift in much more significant. With the ecodiesel I had some white nukle moments in the Denver area on 15, 16 mile hill declines. Engine brake is the best but hill decline works well but no so good on a 8 speed tranny.
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We had good towing experiences with our Ram 1500 Hemi and that led us to the EcoDiesel. One thing I wished for pulling and braking in the western mountains was lower axle gearing than our 3.55 with the Hemi.

We shopped for the 3.92 axles near home in Minnesota but it was very rare to find it on the lot. Early this year we shopped in Tucson, AZ and it was quite the opposite. So we bought one in Tucson and are pleased with its pulling and braking. We're still learning what she can do in the mountains, it looks promising. We add service brakes as needed and that has been working very well.

For those shopping the EcoDiesel (or gas Hemi) as a tow vehicle, you would like the 3.92 axle option.
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