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Old 02-21-2014, 09:50 AM   #99
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Andy spent nearly a hour going over the instructions for setting up/adjusting the twin cam and the importance of checking it and re-adjusting it periodically. There are also points in the whole head assembly that can wear/work loose contributing to the subtle sway you were feeling. He actually recommended a welded shank assembly but my twin cam head was cast iron so he could not do it. He also changed out my original shank with one that pulled the ball in as close as possible. Nearly 4" closer than the other Airstream dealer setup when I bought it. I'll repeat the drive up there was well worth it.

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I too have used a dual cam for many years. On our last year trip to Banff and back I noticed some trailer sway. Actually i never could see any actual sway occur but I could feel it, kind of a jittery feeling thru my seat. It just kept me kind of nervous during the trip. Maybe it was the JGC tires (18" Michelin) or air pressure, I don't know. But for $1,000 I bought a used ProPride and the jitters went away.

I should have just added a friction brake and saved the money.....
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Old 02-21-2014, 02:31 PM   #100
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Thanks for the information. I have the older style dual cam units that do not have the screw adjustability. To Rich's point, I suspect i was not exact enough in positioning. Tho wear may also factor in (they are old units).

I'll keep the ProPride on my '78 Tradewind but will use the dual cam on my '67 Safari and dial it in more closely. - Everybody needs two Airstreams, right?

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Old 02-22-2014, 02:24 AM   #101
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[QUOTE=2012FB;1418240]This was a consideration when comparing the ML350 to the Touareg as the GC is completely out of the picture."

Please start a MB thread and leave this one to the Jeep GC as per the header.
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Old 02-22-2014, 06:37 AM   #102
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Old 02-22-2014, 09:16 AM   #103
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Having owned a Diesel Touareg & now a 2014 SRT Grand Cherokee (that I don't tow with but still...) - I would feel the new diesel Grand Cherokee can do anything the Touareg can do, if not even better in some aspects....
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Old 02-24-2014, 04:06 PM   #104
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Another consideration for the long run in selecting any TV:

J.D. Power & Associates annual vehicle dependability study for 2014 has the MB #2 behind Lexus. Jeep is 4th from the bottom. VW is also well below the medium.

Really? This Is America's Most Dependable Automotive Brand? (GM, HMC, TM)


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Why does a GL 350 have a 50k powertrain warranty and a GC have a 100k warranty?
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Read the dependability reviews closely....

On some of these "lower scoring" vehicles, the lower score at times was result of Nav\Stereo software, squeaks with full length sunroofs, failure of lumbar support, all issues easily fixed and "minor annoyances". Some of the vehicles had less issues but of a more catastrophic nature, these vehicles "appear" better because they have higher scores due to lower incidence of issues, but the issues were pretty substantial such as "failed coils, radiators, transmissions, etc".
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Read the dependability reviews closely....

On some of these "lower scoring" vehicles, the lower score at times was result of Nav\Stereo software, squeaks with full length sunroofs, failure of lumbar support, all issues easily fixed and "minor annoyances". Some of the vehicles had less issues but of a more catastrophic nature, these vehicles "appear" better because they have higher scores due to lower incidence of issues, but the issues were pretty substantial such as "failed coils, radiators, transmissions, etc".
I was disappointed when I found out how they rate the vehicles. As you correctly pointed out not all failures are created equal . I think Consumer Reports, though not perfect, is the best.
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I was contacted by another Jeep dealer following up on my inquiry on the GC and had a nice conversation. Per his request I have sent all the information pertaining to the issues with the GC EcoDiesel including the email exchange with the first dealer with the expectation that I might actually hear something back from a Jeep/Chrysler representative. I will post follow up if I do.

When I bought the first out of the gate 6.0 Powerstroke it did not mater to me what it was in the shop for. After nearly 3 months total in the shop out of 18 (injectors, injectors again, various sensors, rear block/galley freeze plug leak, rear vent motor, seat heater, EGR failure, AC leak etc.) Ford bought it back. The saving issue for me was they could not solve why it would not run on cold start at altitude. The replacement was by far a better but not perfect truck. I would probably still have it if not for being totaled by an underage non-licensed driver who was given the keys by his mom on a snow packed accident alert valentines night date with my daughter.
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Another consideration for the long run in selecting any TV:

J.D. Power & Associates annual vehicle dependability study for 2014 has the MB #2 behind Lexus. Jeep is 4th from the bottom. VW is also well below the medium.

Really? This Is America's Most Dependable Automotive Brand? (GM, HMC, TM)

The 2014 report is for 2011 vehicles. Interestingly, the three disabling problems that I experienced with my 2008 Grand Cherokee with the 3.0 Mercedes Diesel were all in the engine. I wonder how JD Powers would score that?
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This year, Consumer Reports.....

Yahoo!

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It would be nice to hear from someone who actually owns the Eco diesel and has towed with it.
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I have a 2007 Jeep GC diesel with 133,000 miles and it is a great tow vehicle for our 24' Trade Wind. I use an Equal-i-zer hitch. More than half of those miles are towing.

I am interested in hearing more about the potential overheating problems with the 2014 Jeep Eco Diesel. This is the only issue preventing me from trading my 2007 with a Mercedes diesel for a 2014 with a Fiat diesel.

The only other hindrance to buying the 2014 Jeep GC is the styling. Jeep has "upgraded" the styling so it looks less like a Jeep and more like every other SUV on the market. Car styling has become boring. Thank God Porsches still look like Porsches.
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Old 03-03-2014, 01:23 PM   #112
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First Tow with our 2014 Grand Cherokee Diesel

We're finally on the road with our new Grand Cherokee! Day one of a 2000 mile tow to our sailboat in FL was low mileage, after a busy day recommissioning our FC23FB from winter storage in Albuquerque, a toilet valve replacement at Holiday Travel Trailers, and provisioning at Trader Joe's. Still, the 152 miles to Sumner Lake SP gave a good feel for the abilities of the GC.

BTW, Sumner Lake SP (NM) offers a fine CG only 6 miles off US 84. Spacious, groomed gravel pads, great views of the lake, water and electricity for $14/night.

Note: This is simply a report on our 2014 Grand Cherokee Diesel Overland with the Technology and Offroad packages. I can only compare to towing our unit with our 2008 GC (Mercedes) Diesel. I make no comparisons to any other vehicle, and really don't want to initiate a debate. We're all biased toward our tow vehicles.

Setting up the Equalizer WD Hitch was straightforward using the 'lock out the air suspension and measure at the wheel wells' method. The unit towed very smoothly. The Quadra Lift Air Suspension & Equalizer handles road dips at any speed noticeably better than the 08 GC. The Equalizer prevented sway very effectively on the 08, and with this 5" longer wheelbase and same short overhang the 2014 tows even better. The 3.0 L Fiat diesel with 8 speed trans never seemed to work hard, merely dropping to sixth or fifth gear on the long climbs E out of ABQ on I-40 that slows 18 wheelers down to 50 mph. Of course this is no Wolf Creek Pass in August, but Oil and Trans temps remained right where they should be at 80 outside temperature.

Towing our 5673 lb trailer (I travel with full fresh water, and the GC was heavily loaded with boat gear), we averaged 21.0 mpg for the tow with the cruise control at 65 mph. In comparison, on the trip down from Durango without the Airstream, the average was 31.8 mpg at 65 mph with a heavy cargo load and the added aero drag of towing mirrors and a fully loaded Thule rooftop cargo box. Not bad at all.

Day two was a different story. John Steinbeck, in 'Travels With Charile' wrote "When I started this narrative, I knew that sooner or later I would have to have a go at Texas, and I dreaded it." Now, I wish not to offend any Texan - I held temporary citizenship in Texas for 15 years, and was stopping therein to visit my sister - but NW Texas is not on my list of scenic drives. We decided to press on through, and drove through the night to Clear Lake, south of Houston. This 732 miles yielded an average of only 16.4 mpg. A 20-30 knot headwind off the starboard bow didn't help. I dodged tumbleweeds the size of Volkswagens. It is said that Gentlemen Don't Sail to Windward, but drivers have little choice. Normally, I prefer to tow at 60 mph, but the Texas Dept. of Disregard For Public Safety has decreed a 75 mph speed limit on two lane highways such as US 84, and on a Saturday night in W Texas I had no wish to have a pickup implanted in the rear of the Airstream. I drove fast and suffered the mpg penalty.

Mardi Gras will see us continuing eastward, and I trust that flat I-10 will yield better mpg, as well as some good crawfish etouffee and maybe even a stop for "Throw Me Something, Mister".
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