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Old 02-04-2014, 07:28 PM   #71
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Yes. That would be a good start. My reference was to the listings for the individual models found on the same web site that correctly identifies the Class1V hitch availability when a hitch is specified. Jim
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Old 02-04-2014, 08:01 PM   #72
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I would also want someone to confirm that the full Class IV hitch ratings are applied to the vehicle.

There is not much price difference between the Hemi and the EcoDiesel but there sure is with fuel economy.
If I remember, class four limits are 10,000 pounds. Just because a car company puts a class four hitch on doesn't mean the rest of the vehicle is rated for that ?

Example: Nissan fits a class four hitch to my truck, but the truck is only rated to 6200 pounds.
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Old 02-04-2014, 08:26 PM   #73
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Class IV hitch is available option for limited but is standard on the Overland. It can be selected with the Hemi V8 or the Eco diesel. I have been looking into the Eco diesel jeep for months but waiting to see what real towing capabilities it can really do. I'm hoping we can get more input from users in real life towing situations with JGC Eco diesel especially. I personally would not consider towing our 1991 AS 25' Excella Classic as it is heavy and too close to top of the towing weight capacity. If we go the JGC we will have to get a smaller trailer.
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Old 02-04-2014, 09:19 PM   #74
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Class IV hitch is available option for limited but is standard on the Overland. It can be selected with the Hemi V8 or the Eco diesel. I have been looking into the Eco diesel jeep for months but waiting to see what real towing capabilities it can really do. I'm hoping we can get more input from users in real life towing situations with JGC Eco diesel especially. I personally would not consider towing our 1991 AS 25' Excella Classic as it is heavy and too close to top of the towing weight capacity. If we go the JGC we will have to get a smaller trailer.
Hi hazelgreen,
I towed my 97 25' Safari 100,000 k with my 2008 Jeep GC 3L CRD diesel. I have towed my 2012 30' International 50,000 k with the same Jeep that now has 330,000k on it. My new one will be in next week. This one goes to my son who will put on 2 or 300,000 k before it turns into a piece of junk. I believe the 2014 Jeeps are better than the 2008 Jeeps. You do not have to get a smaller Airstream if you buy a Jeep. Jim
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Old 02-04-2014, 09:32 PM   #75
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Jim,
What kind of mileage did you get towing your Airstreams and did you do any towing in the mountains. I'm not concerned about the regular flat highways but know the mountain roads can really be quite a pull. We tow now with a 1990 Ford Supercab 4WD with a 460 but a 3:55 rear end. It has plenty of power all thought the 3:55 is not great in the mountains with this AS and our previous 31' AS. We want to get away from pulling with truck to have a smaller vehicle for site seeing after trailer is parked as well as better gas mileage. We get a whopping 7.5-8.5 mpg but we are also travel the highways at posted speeds. I'm glad that you had the previous GC and hope you like your new one as well. I hope that we are able to get one in the near future. We rented the GC Hemi last summer in Colorado to use for four wheeling as it was cheaper than buying to see if we liked the vehicle and it's off-road capabilities. It was great on the trail.
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155 miles round trip Denver to Silverthorne and averaged 15mpg.


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What kind of mileage did you get towing your Airstreams and did you do any towing in the mountains.
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Old 02-05-2014, 05:58 AM   #77
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Hi hazelgreen,
I average 14.7 mpg on my trips south which include the hills of WV & V. I travel @ 62 mph when there is nobody around and I go with the flow when it gets busy. Sometimes that means 70 mph. Some times getting diesel fuel is a pain because the nozzle for cars is on the inside of the pump and getting maintenance from a Jeep dealer is almost impossible. I expect that may change a bit since they will now be obliged to train their mechanics. The best part happens all the rest of the time when you are not towing, 28 mpg approx, and it fits every where. Jim
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Old 02-05-2014, 07:15 AM   #78
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Hi hazelgreen,
I towed my 97 25' Safari 100,000 k with my 2008 Jeep GC 3L CRD diesel. I have towed my 2012 30' International 50,000 k with the same Jeep that now has 330,000k on it. My new one will be in next week. This one goes to my son who will put on 2 or 300,000 k before it turns into a piece of junk. I believe the 2014 Jeeps are better than the 2008 Jeeps. You do not have to get a smaller Airstream if you buy a Jeep. Jim
Just wondering, has your jeep been modified? and are you within the specified payload and front/rear axle ratings?

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Old 02-05-2014, 08:22 AM   #79
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Yes. Hitch mods by Can Am. I also put heavy duty Bilstein shocks on it in Sept when the originals no longer did their job. As for the rest of your question, sometimes. Jim
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Thanks Jim for your information. You are right that it would be nice to have the high mpg when not towing.
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Yes. Hitch mods by Can Am. I also put heavy duty Bilstein shocks on it in Sept when the originals no longer did their job. As for the rest of your question, sometimes. Jim
Thanks for the update Jim. These metrics are critical for deciding what size Airstream others want to tow with their GC.
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I never heard back from the Jeep sales manager and would never consider contacting them again or any Jeep dealer for that matter. I am blown away that fuel is there one and only response to the tow issues knowing that I was reporting my experience/problems on the forums.

After talking with Andy at Can-Am for a considerable amount of time I decided on the ML350 and will be driving it up to have the hitch reinforced, brake control installed and have the receiver completely setup per his recommendations. When discussing all the options he was not keen on the Jeep air suspension. His first choice was the Cayenne, Touareg, ML350 and then the Jeep. I was leaning toward the Touareg but my wife liked the ML350 and she will be driving it 95% of the time. The other issue with the Touareg was the adamant response from both corporate and the dealer prohibiting the use of an WDH/Equalizer. The MB does not. I know with the same reinforcement from Can-Am on the Touareg it would work well but just not comfortable with liability when it is in writing not to use the WDH.

I got the ML350 for 11.7% off list at 3.49% interest. So this puts the MB within a few thousand dollars of the Jeep in Overland trim. So an easy decision for me other than the drive from Denver to Can-Am and back.

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I'm sure you'll be happy with the ML in general. When it comes time to buy another tow vehicle years down the road, I wouldn't write off every Jeep dealer because one dealership has a bad sales manager, though.
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Hi hazelgreen,
I towed my 97 25' Safari 100,000 k with my 2008 Jeep GC 3L CRD diesel. I have towed my 2012 30' International 50,000 k with the same Jeep that now has 330,000k on it. My new one will be in next week. This one goes to my son who will put on 2 or 300,000 k before it turns into a piece of junk. I believe the 2014 Jeeps are better than the 2008 Jeeps. You do not have to get a smaller Airstream if you buy a Jeep. Jim

Jim,
I agree, the 08 GC CRD is a fine tow vehicle, I was reluctant to part with mine until my son decided to buy it. Now I won't have to loan him my new GC when he borrows the Airstream

I expect that you will be as happy as I am with the new diesel. The vehicle is superior in so many ways!

BTW: I negotiated the order based upon cash purchase, and when it came time for delivery, the salesman said "would you like to take the 0% financing?" Icing on the cake!

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