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Old 10-19-2012, 12:01 PM   #1
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2012 Tundra towing WARNING- Ouch...

I have towed our 2006 Airstream with a 2006 Tundra double cab and a 2008 Tundra double cab. Sometimes when turning or backing up it is necessary to make a tight angle turn. Never a problem... until the 2012 Tundra Crew Max.

Backing into our garage this Fall, with my wife guiding one side for clearance, I heard an "odd" sound on my right side. With the "safety" mirrors you really cannot see much on the right side, so I call it my blind spot. The driver's side mirror reflects a non distorted view until you are at an angle where a second pair of eyes are needed to watch clearances.

The tail lights extend out much farther on the 2012 than the earlier Tundra's. Thus creating a pinch point and the resulting dent. The tail light was not damaged at all, but it sure put a nice dent in the trailer. That has to be one strong tail light!

We have friends who went from a 2000 Tundra and bought a 2012 Double Cab Tundra this Summer. They drove to Canada and while backing into a camping spot, knocked a hole in their Arctic Fox 25 foot trailer, WITH the Toyota optional trailer mirrors for rear viewing. Tail light, right side... No tail light problem from the pressure, but they will have to patch the hole in their trailer.

I am now very careful on a tight angle and am passing this information along to save someone else some potential problem in the future. Sure, it is not the Tundra at fault. But, this is the first time I have experienced a problem in a tight turn.
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Old 10-19-2012, 12:24 PM   #2
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I'm surprised to see that. Normally a WD hitch places the ball far enough back that damage from a jackknife is almost imposible. What kind of hitch are you using?
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Old 10-19-2012, 02:12 PM   #3
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I'm surprised to see that. Normally a WD hitch places the ball far enough back that damage from a jackknife is almost imposible. What kind of hitch are you using?
That's my question. With my equilizer hitch I don't think that could happen but I'll check next time I have it hooked up. I don't think it's even close. That had never even crossed my mind as a possibility. Thanks for the heads up.
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Old 10-19-2012, 03:52 PM   #4
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Hitch Used with 2012 Tundra

There is no name on the hitch, so I have a photograph and you might be able to tell me...
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Old 10-19-2012, 04:42 PM   #5
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Sorry to hear about your mishap; that kind of thing is always on my mind when backing around a tight turn.

With my rig, I've confirmed it's impossible to pinch while moving forward, even with the steering wheel turned all the way to the lock. Turning radius of the truck just isn't tight enough.

But when backing, with steering wheel turned opposite to the direction the rear of the trailer is going, I don't see anything to prevent one from inadvertently going too far, and getting an interference. The only question would be where - bumper against frame, or body to body.
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Old 10-19-2012, 05:36 PM   #6
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There is no name on the hitch, so I have a photograph and you might be able to tell me...
Looks like a Reese.
The shank on the hitch looks short.
As other posters have said, this should not happen. I would consider changing my hitch.
You bump looks like the type that could be pulled out with one of those suction devices.
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Your hitch is an Easy Lift, or a copy there of like maybe a Curt. Nothing wrong with the hitch, and I'm surprised the truck was able to hit the body of the trailer.
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Don't lengthen the hitch to avoid this sort of thing, as it will make the trailer more likely to sway. You want the distance from hitch ball to rear axle as short as possible.

That is part of the logic of the Hensley design (pivot point projection) to eliminate sway, and proven by Andrew Thomson of CanAm RV in track testing.

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Yeah, getting out to check is just part of backing. A nice, compact hitch-rig is best.
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Hmmm...I have a 2007 Crewmax with factory towing mirrors. I guess I just have never turned that tight.
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I guess you need a third pair of eyes to check whether you have jack knifed too much. I get into some tight spots with my trailers but have never turned tight enough to hit the trailer. I would recommend the "Dent King" that uses hot melt adhesive over the plain suction cup pullers. I have pulled out some hail dents with one. Yours looks pretty shallow.
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Hmmm...I have a 2007 Crewmax with factory towing mirrors. I guess I just have never turned that tight.
I guess I just have never turned that tight. . yet
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Tundra Tail Light "Pinching"

I mention the Tundra tow mirrors as you are not stuck with a distorted view when using the right side mirror for backing up. It also becomes a blind spot, yet the idea was to improve your "blind spot". It has nothing to do with the tail light denting your trailer during a tight turn. I have been towing this trailer for seven years and my friend has been towing his for ten years, never getting a dent... until the 2012 tail light "discovery". That is significant.

A problem trucks having tow mirrors are their sticking out into traffic. The driver should try to remember to retract the driver's side extended mirror while parked, so not to have the mirror torn off by a wide vehicle moving through traffic. In Colorado during tourist season you hear about mirrors being ripped off the side of a truck because of the narrow lanes in the center of town. Do not believe me... retracting IS cheap insurance.
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There's a good reason the right side is called the blind side as one does not have enough visual field of reference to establish a feel that is consistent with the left side.

Blaming the mirror is not quite to the point although I'd agree with some criticisms I've read. Really, the right side of the vehicle is a whole other vehicle and it is being operated by remote control. The "feel" of the thing is different. Some driver training is in order when working off of the blind side.

There's a bit too much faith in things unseen (being consistent). Some additional layers of interpretation happening not needed with the left side. Indirect-ness.
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I have hit an approaching GMC Yukon mirror to mirror while my to mirrors were extended. I still cannot blame the mirrors. He crossed over the center line. Iran.off the road to try to avoid him. The damage was very minimal. There is just a rub mArk on the amber light lens on the mirror. The Yukon that hit me had Putco chrome covers on his mirrors and I could see no damage to his. It sure was a loud crash, though. Because one of his passengers was running off at the mouth police were called. There were five people in my truck thy gave the same account of what happened, including one blind man.
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It is possible to dent the lower rock guard (segment protector) with an '07 double cab Tundra. The taillight lens is tough and the rock guard is pretty soft stainless steel. I did it several years ago on the driver's side. I'm more careful now and plan backing better than I did then.

To dent the body above the rock guard without much damage to the guard means the taillight must stick out in that space above the rock guard.

Rednax is right about the right side. Often it is blind and no mirror can compensate for that. Even with my wife guiding me, I can't always see her, especially on the right side, and it is best to get out and look, and then if there's any doubt, get out again, and again. I don't like getting out over and over, but it saves hundreds of dollars (maybe more) in repairs.

I saw a Tundra with different mirrors—they were side by side instead of one over the other. Is that a new design or was it an aftermarket mirror? On ours the upper mirror is motorized and shows the usual view behind. The lower one is adjusted by hand and helps eliminate a lot (but not all) of the blind spot and allows me to see where the trailer tires are tracking. Pulled out, they are pretty wide, but not as wide as the trailer.

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The shank on my equalizer brand hitch is longer.
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...With the "safety" mirrors you really cannot see much on the right side, so I call it my blind spot. The driver's side mirror reflects a non distorted view until you are at an angle where a second pair of eyes are needed to watch clearances.

The tail lights extend out much farther on the 2012 than the earlier Tundra's. Thus creating a pinch point and the resulting dent. The tail light was not damaged at all, but it sure put a nice dent in the trailer. That has to be one strong tail light!

We have friends who went from a 2000 Tundra and bought a 2012 Double Cab Tundra this Summer. They drove to Canada and while backing into a camping spot, knocked a hole in their Arctic Fox 25 foot trailer, WITH the Toyota optional trailer mirrors for rear viewing. Tail light, right side... No tail light problem from the pressure, but they will have to patch the hole in their trailer.

I am now very careful on a tight angle and am passing this information along to save someone else some potential problem in the future. Sure, it is not the Tundra at fault. But, this is the first time I have experienced a problem in a tight turn.
Same here on a crew cab Ram with EQ grand shank / hitch. Suffice it to say that you are not alone; sad indeed! Mine pulled out ... mostly - on the AS. Truck needed new TL. The new LED truck tail lights are super!
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I did the same thing with a Ram Crew Cab as well. My dent was a little too deep so I covered it...
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Old 10-25-2012, 07:33 PM   #20
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Tundra Tail Light Hates my AS

Crawford Gene, you noticed that my rock guard was not dented. I pulled it back into position as well as I could. When we were at Jackson Center in 2007, I bought an extra set as the gravel roads our AS "takes us" takes a pounding. Some day the old hammered set will get a nice face lift.

The dent in the AS has a horizontal crease from the rock guard's rolled top edge. That had to be the contact with the high point of the tail light.

What got my attention is when my friend, who has owned his Arctic Fox for more years than I have had our 2006 AS... had his 2012 Tundra out on the maiden trip to Canada and busted a hole in his Arctic Fox fiber glass body! We all find ourselves in situations that we see coming... but attacked by my own tail light. That never was a problem with my 2006 or 2008 Tundra. My friend also said his tail light did not even show any damage, like mine.

Still love the Tundra. I will keep watching those tight backing into a parking spot for now on!
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