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Old 01-28-2014, 10:48 AM   #155
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SteveH, there is a likelihood -- a good possibility -- that someone else posting on CUMMINS FORUM (4th Gen) may have already done this. If not, as there are some tech savvy guys there, advice you desire may exist on that specialized forum. I'd join up and post the question as well as do an indepth search.

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Old 01-28-2014, 01:32 PM   #156
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Yes, I am a member of that forum also, and have just searched it and came up with the answers I needed. If anyone else wants to do it, it's here: Possible To Remove OEM Brake Controller? - Page 2 - Dodge Cummins Diesel Forum

Basically what I was going to do, but easier because they are using the factory wiring.
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Old 01-29-2014, 10:10 AM   #157
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Just a little update....got a letter from the state yesterday that said my vehicle had been titled before and was a program vehicle, not a demo vehicle, and so is not eligible for the buy back part of the Lemon Law in Texas. The claim has been changed to ask the manufacturer to fix the truck, which after thinking about it in a not angry frame of mind, I'm happy about.

Maybe I can negotiate with them, based on the evidence of so many others having problems with the factory controller, to reimburse me for the P3 I've bought and reprogram my truck's ECU to delete the factory controller, and I'd be happy with that.
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Old 01-29-2014, 11:48 AM   #158
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Steve, out of curiosity did you know you were buying a used/program vehicle and not a new truck or a demo truck?
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Old 01-29-2014, 12:19 PM   #159
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Yes, I knew it was a program truck, but what I did not understand is the Texas Lemon Law. It clearly stipulates that program vehicles, considered used, are not eligible for the buy back portion of the law, just the "repair" portion of the law. My fault that I did not fully research the law and Texas' definition of "demo" and "program" vehicles before I filed.

I was also confused about the issue because I was told by the dealer's finance person that the "in service date" (for warranty purposes) for the vehicle was the day that I bought it, even though it had 20,000 miles on it.

Still, I'm OK with this because if I had to go buy another tow vehicle today, I really don't know what it would be.
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I was also confused about the issue because I was told by the dealer's finance person that the "in service date" (for warranty purposes) for the vehicle was the day that I bought it, even though it had 20,000 miles on it.
Hi, somehow I feel mislead in assuming that you bought a brand new vehicle; Now this changes the whole story.
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Old 01-29-2014, 02:29 PM   #161
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Hi, somehow I feel mislead in assuming that you bought a brand new vehicle; Now this changes the whole story.
Sorry, thought I had stated that it wasn't "Brand New", either in this thread or the "Towing Large with a 1/2 ton" thread, and that everyone knew that. At the time I first started noticing the brake issues, it was within the 3 year, 36000 mile, bumper to bumper warranty, however, and that's why the Dealer was working on the controller, at least for a while.

After they quit being responsive, or for that matter, even returning phone calls, is when I filled the Lemon Law paperwork.
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I'm looking forward to the reports about a functioning brake controller on that CTD with those dialled-in trailer disc brakes, SteveH and how well it yanks that rig down in speed. Looks to be not far off (I, and others, hope).
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Old 02-01-2014, 09:28 PM   #163
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I'm looking forward to the reports about a functioning brake controller on that CTD with those dialled-in trailer disc brakes, SteveH and how well it yanks that rig down in speed. Looks to be not far off (I, and others, hope).
Well, I actually have some good news on the brake controller issue. Yesterday I installed a Prodigy P3 where the original factory controller was mounted, tested it with both trailers, and it works great. There is no delay, and the braking is proportional. It will slam you up against the windshield if you step on them hard.

From the beginning I didn't want to do this because the computer system in the truck would be in alarm or show error codes. However, with some information I found on the web, and an idea of my own that came from the time I was playing around with resistors to make the factory controller "see" the hydraulic brake actuator, it is all working with no alarms or codes on the truck.

The factory controller is definitely a time-delay unit, and in my opinion a piece of junk. Information on time-delay vs proportional here: Trailer Brake Controller Information | etrailer.com
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Old 02-07-2014, 06:41 PM   #164
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Still confused on the type of hitch to purchase in the next two weeks: Reese dual cam-dealer encourages this, ProPride, Equalizer 4 point. I have a Gmc Denali 3/4 diesel as a TV.
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Hi, Luigi; Just ask questions like:

Which one is easiest to use?
Which one costs the most?
Which one is the hardest to adjust?
Which one makes the most noise?
Which one has to be disconnected before backing up?

And you get more than you can read in two weeks.
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Old 02-07-2014, 07:43 PM   #166
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Still confused on the type of hitch to purchase in the next two weeks: Reese dual cam-dealer encourages this, ProPride, Equalizer 4 point. I have a Gmc Denali 3/4 diesel as a TV.
Having a little experience with all of them, the size trailer you have, and the tow vehicle you have, I will say they will all do a good job for you, but they all have their good points and bad points.

However, my choice in order of preference would be first, the Propride, second the Reese Dual Cam, and last choice out of the three, the Equalizer.

The down side to the Propride is first the cost, and second the weight. The up side is it is absolutely the best hitch for sway elimination, and once installed, the only adjustment is the weight distribution which is easy to do with the crank jacks it uses. Some have problems with hookup and unhooking, and it is different, but once you learn it, it's rather easy.

The Reese Dual Cam has been around a long time, has been thru several versions of "improvements", and works good, IF adjusted PERFECTLY. And, the newer version with the thread adjustable cam arms are very difficult to adjust, and if not adjusted perfectly, the sway control system does not work well.

The Equalizer is the simplest of all of them, very few adjustments, weight distribution works well, sway control works well, but it is very noisy when turning with a lot of moaning, groaning, and popping. Also, it is the stiffest riding of the three to the point that some have experienced damage to their trailers from the hitch.

I'm absolutely certain that everyone on this forum will probably have an argument with some statement that I've made about at least one of these hitches, but these statements come from my experiences and those reported by other users here. Good luck with whatever you choose.
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Old 02-07-2014, 09:57 PM   #167
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I use the ProPride after having used two different sizes of equalizer. I have towed many travel trailers in the past. However all before my current 31' were significantly smaller. After using the ProPride, I would not tow my trailer with anything else (unless something even better is developed in the future). The sway control absolutely amazes me. If I had ever used the Reese, I am guessing I would rank it in the middle as Steve did.

As with so many decisions in life, you have to decided where in the spectrum you personally are comfortable.

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Love my ProPride behind my 2013 Silverado diesel. I used Reese dual-cam for about 10 years and liked it, but the ProPride is my choice. I have towed comfortably with the PPP when there were red flag warnings and the all semis were parked.
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