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Old 12-20-2002, 11:20 PM   #15
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With 448 lbs of extended cab, 400 lbs of 4WD, 500+ pounds of diesel engine (over V8 gas), 280 lbs of fuel, and 400 lbs of people, my F250SD long bed weights just under 7400 lbs out of its 8800 GVWR. I haven't had it loaded up all the way, but the trailer GVWR is 9800 lbs so 11% tongue weight would be 1080 lbs. The WD bars should shift about 80-100 of that back to the trailer axles, leaving about 400 lbs for stuff in the cab and bed. I'm not worried about cutting it close on GVWR because I've had it up to 9500 lbs (2300 lbs of shingles) where the bed was still level and the overload springs were just beginning to touch, but not compress. Truck and trailer should be about 17,500 lbs out of 20,000 GCWR.
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Old 12-21-2002, 01:46 AM   #16
 
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I only engage the tow/haul when on slopes. Otherwise it seems ok although not much torque. (I am waiting for the trans cooler I ordered for Xmas)
1500 with Airlift & Firestone bags.

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Old 12-21-2002, 06:46 AM   #17
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While in BC, I met a couple how are full timing in a 2001 34' Limited w/slide and they use a 1998 Yukon 5.7 3:73 and they said that they had no problems pulling over the Canadian Rockies.
It just seemed that the Yukon wheel base was a little too short for the lenght of their trailer, but they were happy and I guess that's all that really matters Eh! You have a really nice set-up and I was wondering when you plan to start full timming?
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Old 12-21-2002, 09:56 AM   #18
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Steve,

Thanks for your input. However the Expy with a 4.6 ain't gonna cut it. The 4.6 does not have the cubes to do the job and is not even a consideration. The only engine/axle that's gonna cut is 5.4 with a 3.73. It is an option on Expy and not easy to find. However, that combo is standard on Navigator. There is no options for engine/axle on Navigator.

So the tow rating varies with 4x4 and 4x2. I prefer 4X2 however in the used market my choices are dictated by the market. And I am too cheap to buy new. The rating being 8100 #'s for 4X4 and 8900 #'s for 4X2

The wheelbase maybe an issue. I have been towing a large boat since 1989. That one was 9000 #'s and 35' long. (Ball to prop) I did it with a 1974 1/2 ton very modified van. It was short wheelbase too. (I think 113) My current van is 138" WB, however it is a little light in the hp department for the current crusier (7380#'s of Wellcraft) For the stream it's fine. Navigator is 119" WB. I do need to drive more of them to get a feel.

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Old 12-21-2002, 11:10 AM   #19
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My towing machine is probably overkill, NOT. I am using a 2001 Ford E350 SuperDuty Powerstroke Van 4x4 to pull a little 1995 21' Classic Airstream 5500# loaded. I first used a full size Bronco with a 351 V8. Handling was an issue, the wheel base on the Bronco was too short. Next I got a 97 F150 4x4 with 5.4 V8. Handling issue went away. Power became an issue, the torque on the 5.4 is developed at high rpms, so mpg was very poor because I could never pull in overdrive. Now I have the E350 van, 7.3 diesel power with a long wheelbase. Handling, trailer what trailer? That silver thing following us my dear. Power, hill what hill? I don't remember any hill. Keep in mind I live at 7200 elevation and travel all over the American West and Baja. I also have a lot of toys to pack around. Dirt bike, Mountain bikes and windsurfing gear. The van tow capacity is rated at 10,000#. The Gross Combined Weight Rating is rated at 20,000#, I have stopped at weight stations in Oregon to check my weights; Trailer loaded, 5500#, Van loaded 9200# with trailer attached, Amazing 16,000# and still able to get 13 mpg average cruising at 65 to 70 mph on the open road. I could trade in my 21' and still be able to pull 34'er with all of my toys. Check out my van web page, pictures of van and Airstream. (slowloading).Van Link

Gotta go, I packing for a two month Baja trip starting on the 26th of December, returning first week of March.

Happy camping and Merry Christmas,

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Old 12-21-2002, 11:50 AM   #20
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1/2 ton (or so to speak)

I've been pulling our '62 Overlander for the past 16 yrs. with a '78 Ford Bronco, (first year full size). The original 351 cid was gutless on mountains and in head winds, time for a swap. 11 yrs ago I built and swapped in a 460 cid (bored .060 over) and added the usual goodies to create a "stump puller".


Handling has never been an issue. Ford built these on F150 frames, the front and rear live axles both sport stabilizer bars (1' on front, 1 1/8 " on rear), heavy duty springs front and rear and high perfomance adjustable shocks front and rear.

As with ANY sport/ut, (pulling or not), they demand more attention while driving. The biggest advantage I have found is I can squeek into tighter areas easier due to the shorter turning radius. Oscar
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Old 12-21-2002, 12:13 PM   #21
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"Handling has never been an issue. Ford built these on F150 frames, the front and rear live axles both sport stabilizer bars (1' on front, 1 1/8 " on rear), heavy duty springs front and rear and high perfomance adjustable shocks front and rear."

Sounds like you got the handling under control with the stabilizers and shocks. I got a little nervous with the tail wagging the dog and few times, more important, I couldn't carry all of my toys with me when I had the Bronco. My 92 Bronco was one of my favorite trucks. I really miss the Bronco's size, turning and off road ability. I wish Ford would bring it back.

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Old 12-21-2002, 12:18 PM   #22
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When I towed with my 99 F150, I towed in 4th gear and in overdrive. (Standard Transmission)

I found very little difference in gas mileage if any.
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Niknas,

Yep, I've got the handling down (mechanically and expierence) but I've been "wagged" twice due to semi's pulling up behind 20 or 30 mph faster than me pushing air under the TT and relieving the downforce from above, (sometimes I think the do it on purpose). Slow deceleration and a good hitch/sway control set-up will straighten things up,the semi has to do one of three things, slow down, pass or (God forbid) hit you This situation (IMO) is why I do not use cruise control systems while pulling. I like to have control of the machine at all times.

My toys are easy, the Bronco for off-road excursions and a metal detector for finding that which has been lost by others previously. Hey, it's paid for a trip a time or two! Oscar
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Old 12-21-2002, 10:28 PM   #24
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The posts here point up one of the underappreciated facts of life about travel trailers as opposed to fithwheels- one has a choice of tow vehicles; truck, van, or SUV. And you retain your storage space too!

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Old 12-22-2002, 06:40 AM   #25
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I have this type of camper shell on my truck. Without the tailgate, it's easier to reach inside to get items.
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Old 12-22-2002, 02:44 PM   #26
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Nik,

What was the axle ratio for your 97 F150?

Also, Ford dicontinued the full sized Bronco for the same reason the original Bronco and Bronco II went away. Not enough sales. Full sized Bronco has been replaced with Expedition. And Expedition sales have been a winner. Also look for Excursion to go bye bye. Same reason. Gotta sell more to keep it in the stable.

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Old 12-23-2002, 11:47 AM   #27
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OMG!! All those people with half tons, better upgrade soon before they crash and burn!
Guess it depends on what you're pulling, a 1/2 ton is fine for our '64 GlobeTrotter...

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longer is better!

the other thing i like about my rig is the long wheelbase, i think that is more important than 1/2 vs. 3/4 ton.

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