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Old 03-31-2005, 10:04 PM   #15
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Clearly AS has big marketing plans for the future...and we may be a wild card just getting in the way:

"Consumer Licensing Program:

On behalf of the 70-year-old icon, Global Icons, a premier licensing agency, is developing a comprehensive merchandise program based upon its famous design and reputation. The goal for the Airstream brand will be to incorporate the spirit of mid-century design, functional modernism and the quality for which Airstream is known.
By building upon these intrinsic Airstream values, Global Icons will extend the brand into a number of merchandising opportunities. Licensing categories include: Apparel & Accessories, Gift & Collectibles, Housewares, Sporting Goods, Outdoor & Camping Accessories and Travel Accessories.
Beyond merchandise, you will see Airstreams traveling with the star-studded Hollywood crowd, at sporting events like NASCAR races, on tour with high-profile rock bands and featured in numerous films, televisions shows and national advertising campaigns. "


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and the quality for which Airstream is known.

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I am gong to make my own decal, my own hat, my own shirt, and they will be one of a kind original pieces never to be duplicated again except by me, for me.

They will be original works of art, not for sale. I will not publish pictures of them. In order to steal the design, (or file the lawsuit), you will have to find me on the road someplace and become personal about it.

It is Freedom of Speech if it isn't for sale, and is an original design work of art.

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Old 04-01-2005, 01:07 AM   #19
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To clarify, Andy responded to an inquiry by me about the decal thread with over 300 posts.

It was pulled down by Andy, the owner of this forum, because in his judgement, the "[thread] had deteroriated to a counter productive discussion."

Andy owns the server, so he has the right as the ultimate "Buck Stops Here" person, to manage his domain the way he wants to manage it. I disagree that the discussion was counter productive. I believed it was an open and civil exchange of perceptions and differing opinions, and that no one was behaving badly.

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The thread was not taken down for the reason stated above. The thread was taken down because it had degenerated in to nothing more that a very loud mud slinging contest. Does that help this community? Does that further the goals of the forum? Are we really sharing any useful information at that point?
I think there was useful information in the thread concerning the forum. I guess I didn't consider it mud slinging contest because some were critical of AS Corp. I just don't understand why a post or two couldn't be deleted istead of all 300, many which did include useful info and was not uncivil. I found it interesting that the thread quickly disappeared after Tim from AS Corp chimed in and was challenged by members. All of a sudden, the thread disappears. Makes me think it was the reason.

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Airstream and Organic Hosting (Andy) are working out the deal. Just because it cannot be done in the blink of an eye does not mean you are being censored.
Over two years and this is a blink of an eye? I think it is great that Andy and AS Corp are talking but why so long? I would agree with those posts that question the speed at which AS Corp is in giving this place their blessing. Why don't they recognize this place as a positive force for AS by giving us a license two years ago? The first decal was ready to ship two years ago but AS stopped it and since have been "working" on licensing the forum. And some members question whether AS Corp is asking Andy for money. If they are, then many around here would disagree with paying them. AS Corp should be paying for this place as we are their roving ambassadors.

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I am not saying you should not speak your mind, but when it gets to the point of berating another member the posts and sometimes the thread has to go. This thread is a perfect example of what happens when we even just lock a thread. A new one will start to take it's place. Will it stay nice or is it going to be a repeat? That is up to the members of the forum.
The thread regenerated anyway, so why remove the opinions of 300 posts. If it was locked or certain posts removed, at least the posts could be refered to and not have to go through it all again.

I agree that posts that are degenerative should be edited or removed. But in a thread with 300 other posts that were positive, deleting them all is just wrong in my book.
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This is sickening. Not the fact that we are still discussing decals. But that our hard thought out posts (including 3 or 4 of mine) on the subject have been unceremoniously CENSORED and just dumped with NO Courtesy of a notice from the DUMPER. Not to mention the loss of the Graphics that many folks worked very hard to put up and all to just help out the DUMPER.

Someone says that the Forums owner Andy chose to DUMP our work. How is that known? I hope that is incorrect.
I have been under the impression that 2 or 3 of his Moderators usually are the ones so quick to Alter, Erase, or otherwise Tamper with and "Purify to management's own benefit" the thoughts of the general membership. (That is us peons or maybe I should say pizzants).

It was quite apparent that Andy did not find favor with nor apparently even appreciate the effort involved in the two most prevelent decals. I'm speaking of those ('Forum Member' & 'AIR') that had been suggested in the absense of any timely resolution to the long undone promise made after the early decal contest (poll). In fact Andy publicly stated (in one of the DUMPED posts) that when the elusive DEAL was "soon" finalized that the old winning contest artwork was to be the one for sale. And further that each year there would be a new design authorized. (for some unexplained reason...more sales I guess).

I do think that several of the members were very rude to Mr. Tim Champ who posted 9 or 10 times (some in his own self defense) as AIRSTREAM MARKETING.There were IMHO a few cheap shots thrown.
I was on record in that DUMPED thread as supporting Mr. Champ's views (and I have the screen shots to prove it). I also had stated that the whole decal thing is not that important in my opinion. What is important to me is the ability to NEVER have my honest and thought out words and ideas CENSORED if they meet the criteria that I agreed to when I joined this ASForums.
Oh I fully understand that Andy can delete anything he chooses with no explanation, and that is also stated in the joining agreement. However this tossing the baby out with the bath water and editing with an axe instead of a scalpel is becoming a habit unfortunately.

Maybe Andy or whomever DUMPED the thread was embarrassed that a general member would dare argue with a Brass Hat from the Factory. Maybe the Factory gave Andy an ultimatum. Maybe what we the membership think is just considered trivial drivel by the "Inner Circle". Maybe the "Inner Circle" just doesn't care or doesn't realize that many of us are able to see that something a little Russian is taking place here. All too often IMHO.

The genius of the Forums is not the Owner. Not the Moderators, Not the Community nor the Comraderie. Not the Smilies nor the Links nor the interface.Not even the Membership. The real jewel is the ARCHIVE and the Search Engine, the body of posts and threads and the Library of information that they have become.
What has happened to the thread in question and many others in the past is no less than BookBurning. It is an insult to any of us who try to follow the agreed upon rules and attempt to take this community seriously and give to it our time and our attention and yes even our affection. My advice which I suspect is not wanted nor will it be appreciated is to take care of the Library and the Search Engine and give the peons as much respect for a change as you demand (by the rules) that they must give to you the Inner Circle.

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I have been under the impression that 2 or 3 of his Moderators usually are the ones so quick to Alter, Erase, or otherwise Tamper with and "Purify to management's own benefit" the thoughts of the general membership. (That is us peons or maybe I should say pizzants).
Not sure I agree with this statement....I've seen nearly all of them take action at one time or another.

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Maybe Andy or whomever DUMPED the thread was embarrassed that a general member would dare argue with a Brass Hat from the Factory. Maybe the Factory gave Andy an ultimatum.
I doubt very seriously that either of these are true.

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Though true, the archives are important, it's the membership that drives these archives. Without members to post, there are no archives. How do you want to be remembered when looked at in the archves?
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I believe that the original decal designs are all here:

http://www.airforums.com/photo...008&perpage=36

Wasn't it the blue globe that was deemed the winner way back when?

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To pose a slightly different suggestion, maybe the corporate lawyers, or the Airstream/Thor executives, did not want Tim's comments in a public domain and that was the reason for the thread to be pulled.

I would have expressed some concerns if Tim were working for me.

I really had higher hopes for my 250th post. Very somber, rather than joyous, topic to post on.
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Wasn't it the blue globe that was deemed the winner way back when?

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Looks like most of them...
Yes, but I didn't get to vote before and the popular vote now seems to be for an "AIR" sticker of some sort. It appears that a re-vote is out of the question...perhaps because Andy is dealing with a specific logo in mind and it's too late to change.

My plan is to put an "AIR" sticker on my Argosy with my forum name in a similar oval under it.

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Yes, but I didn't get to vote before and the popular vote now seems to be for an "AIR" sticker of some sort. It appears that a re-vote is out of the question...perhaps because Andy is dealing with a specific logo in mind and it's too late to change.

My plan is to put an "AIR" sticker on my Argosy with my forum name in a similar oval under it.

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To pose a slightly different suggestion, maybe the corporate lawyers, or the Airstream/Thor executives, did not want Tim's comments in a public domain and that was the reason for the thread to be pulled.
Possible, but really, if they wanted his posts gone, they could have very easily had him pull them himself.

The thread was taking a bad turn and it was dealt with the way the mgmt of this site felt appropriate. Clearly Bretts earlier post indicates this.......
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