View Poll Results: your towing speed
55mph 167 13.11%
60mph 480 37.68%
65mph 450 35.32%
70mph 144 11.30%
75 mph or faster 33 2.59%
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Old 10-19-2015, 09:10 AM   #281
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You know, every now and then you come across a situation when driving that isn't to your liking. Often there's little you can do about it so you just have to "suck it up" and move on. In this case, there could have been any number of reasons the bus was traveling slowly but, unless he was in a minimum speed zone, it doesn't look like there was any poor driving, only driving to suit the comfort of the passengers on the bus. There would be no reason for the bus driver to make his riders uncomfortable just to make your descent down the hill more to your liking. It's a bummer for you, sure, but you just have to deal with it at the time. Full disclosure here; I'm a bus driver. I do take notice of people around me on the road, but my first priority is my rider's comfort and safety.

That said, I can remember only too clearly getting stuck on a forty mile stretch of narrow, English road behind ten or more steam driven vehicles doing 10mph. The law requires them to pull over from time to time to let people past but, when there's a convoy of said vehicles on a narrow road, it's not always possible to be "nice" to the other road users. I just had to throttle back, wait for an opportunity to pass and enjoy the smell of burning coal and lubricating oil. GDSF - Great Dorset Steam Fair
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Old 10-20-2015, 05:43 AM   #282
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I am not sure about safety and slow speeds. When leaving Durango there was a 6% grade, and the speed limit is 65mph down hill. Most cars are speeding down this hill.

I was doing about 55mph to maintain control and going fine in 2nd gear, UNTIL a bus probably in 1st gear going 40 MPH! I had just come around a bend when I spotted him and had to burn up my trailer brakes attempting to decelerate to this dangerous speed, dropping down into 1st even. Mind you, this is not a difficult grade. There are curves, but all very drivable. I was maintaining a perfect 55mph. But once I'm behind him I'm going 35-40mph in a 65mph downhill where most cars are speeding. Before I was just coasting down the hill, perfectly in gear at a safe speed. Now I'm applying my trailer brake, over and over and over, to keep from plowing into this guy. Mind you, I'm tanks full going to a dump station after 18 days boondocking. I was not pleased. And mind you, this is not a 1-mile stretch, this was over at least 3-4 miles.

I eventually got to a place where I could pass and lay on my horn. That's not safe. That's dangerous. There was a line of vehicles slamming on their brakes behind me.

There is being safe, and then there is being asinine.

I typically tow around 65mph, if the speed limit is 70mph+ I stay in the right-hand lane and out of the left.

The only question is the "at fault".

If you weren't prepared for a vehicle stopped, not slowed, well . . . . Doesn't matter about "why" the bus is slow.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda.

Were I the bus driver I'd have called the highway patrol about your before and after behavior.

Try it in an eighteen wheeler. As truckers say, "a bus full of schoolchildren or nuns". Be sure to shave that morning as you'll make the national news.

Now you know why I've posted so many times about trailer antilock disc brakes (and VPP hitches). Only takes once.
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Old 10-20-2015, 06:36 AM   #283
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I am not sure about safety and slow speeds. When leaving Durango there was a 6% grade, and the speed limit is 65mph down hill. Most cars are speeding down this hill.

I was doing about 55mph to maintain control and going fine in 2nd gear, UNTIL a bus probably in 1st gear going 40 MPH! I had just come around a bend when I spotted him and had to burn up my trailer brakes attempting to decelerate to this dangerous speed, dropping down into 1st even. Mind you, this is not a difficult grade. There are curves, but all very drivable. I was maintaining a perfect 55mph. But once I'm behind him I'm going 35-40mph in a 65mph downhill where most cars are speeding. Before I was just coasting down the hill, perfectly in gear at a safe speed. Now I'm applying my trailer brake, over and over and over, to keep from plowing into this guy. Mind you, I'm tanks full going to a dump station after 18 days boondocking. I was not pleased. And mind you, this is not a 1-mile stretch, this was over at least 3-4 miles.

I eventually got to a place where I could pass and lay on my horn. That's not safe. That's dangerous. There was a line of vehicles slamming on their brakes behind me.

There is being safe, and then there is being asinine.

I typically tow around 65mph, if the speed limit is 70mph+ I stay in the right-hand lane and out of the left.
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Old 10-21-2015, 10:17 AM   #284
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I would rather see someone going down the grade at 40mph and under control than someone out of control because they lost their brakes.
You complain about the bus doing 40. What would you have done if the bus would have been stopped all together? Obviously you were out driving your field of vision.


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If that's the speed the bus driver felt safe driving then good for him! Bus indicates multiple passengers in which case the driver was behaving responsibly. Your response was one of surprise and anger. Perhaps driving defensively would've been less stressful.

When I drive in the mountains, I drive at a speed comfortable for me, a speed that allows for me to maintain control of the vehicle and trailer.

I assume (& hope) the folks behind me are doing the same and paying attention.
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Old 10-21-2015, 01:56 PM   #286
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1,000 mile trip-
Some speed limits 70-75 mph-
Never exceeded 65 mph-
They can all go around me.


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We just got back from 1,000 mile trip and I echo the 65 max.

Interestingly enough the only hairy moment of the trip was within 10 miles of storage on the way home when a truck driver with one of those dollar store chains decided to make a left turn across traffic with a red F-150 bearing down on him. She hit her brakes and stopped about 15 feet from him and fortunately I was driving my usual cautious self and had plenty of time to slow enough for him to finally clear both lanes. I guess red pickups are just to hard to see in broad daylight.... glad my Tundra is Spruce Mica green.

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You sure say (I) a lot.
Yea, I do.

So we disagree. But the arguments and judgements are heard. I (the word again) would rather be honest and take in the feedback either way. Rather than reply with the negativity that one could easily do or just lie to make everyone think happy thoughts about this guy.
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The only question is the "at fault".

If you weren't prepared for a vehicle stopped, not slowed, well . . . . Doesn't matter about "why" the bus is slow.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda.

Were I the bus driver I'd have called the highway patrol about your before and after behavior.

Try it in an eighteen wheeler. As truckers say, "a bus full of schoolchildren or nuns". Be sure to shave that morning as you'll make the national news.

Now you know why I've posted so many times about trailer antilock disc brakes (and VPP hitches). Only takes once.
Agree completely, if you are looking far enough ahead, locking the brakes is not necessary.
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Yea, I do.

So we disagree. But the arguments and judgements are heard. I (the word again) would rather be honest and take in the feedback either way. Rather than reply with the negativity that one could easily do or just lie to make everyone think happy thoughts about this guy.
So if there had been an accident ahead you would have driven into it. I was taught by my father to allow enough room in front to stop if the vehicle in front stops instantly. Not always possible, but with a clear road in front.......I speak from experience, I almost drove into the back if a twenty mile an hour dump truck. My own fault, didn't practice what I preach. Good brakes on Dodge, and Avion. Be safe.
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I will reiterate.
Most St type tires are rated with a Max speed of 65 mph. This isn't average but Max.
While it may be possible to tow faster you need to realize you are consuming tire life so just don't complain if you get shorter tire life than some other folks.

While you are at it maybe you should run the engine of your TV above the engine "redline" on the tach. You know a little extra exercising won't hurt anything in the engine will it?

FYI There are an increasing number of ST tires that are now speed rated with the speed symbol ( like with the letter L which is 75 mph). I would strongly suggest that if you insist on running above 60 you switch to speed rated tires.

Look for the letter after the Load Index numbers that come after the rim size.
An example might be ST245/75R16 108/104L
The 108/104L is the Service Description and should be molded on the tire sidewall.

More on Service Description HERE.

Also I would not accept the word of a tire dealer unless they were willing to put it in writing that your tires with DOT serial xxxxxxxxxx were rated for operation up to 75.
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I will reiterate.
Most St type tires are rated with a Max speed of 65 mph. This isn't average but Max.

Mine are rated at 82 MPH [Carlisles] but 70 is a max for me now. [I know you said most]

While it may be possible to tow faster you need to realize you are consuming tire life so just don't complain if you get shorter tire life than some other folks.

While you are at it maybe you should run the engine of your TV above the engine "redline" on the tach. You know a little extra exercising won't hurt anything in the engine will it?

We get your point, but unless your tow vehicle is an antique, Modern vehicles have rev limiters and it is impossible to over rev them. Because of this, vehicles such as my 2014 F-150, don't even have a red line on the tach.


FYI There are an increasing number of ST tires that are now speed rated with the speed symbol ( like with the letter L which is 75 mph). I would strongly suggest that if you insist on running above 60 you switch to speed rated tires.

Look for the letter after the Load Index numbers that come after the rim size.
An example might be ST245/75R16 108/104L
The 108/104L is the Service Description and should be molded on the tire sidewall.

More on Service Description HERE.

Also I would not accept the word of a tire dealer unless they were willing to put it in writing that your tires with DOT serial xxxxxxxxxx were rated for operation up to 75.
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