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Old 06-14-2010, 11:26 AM   #15
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Yes I think we can do just fine recovering/upholstering for ourselves, my Sis knows her way around sewing. I finally got to start work with vacuuming and cleaning yesterday evening between storms, and I'll be going back at it this afternoon. I'm taking pics as I go along, I'll get some of them up soon.

I'm pretty sure I want to just remove the black tank and go with a porta-pottie, can't recall but I think Bob has pics up of a really nice rear bath done this way. That will address our immediate needs and I can always go back later if I want.

I found this really cool canvas for the front glass, it snaps on the outside and is covered in this coppery metallic finish that's just awesome. Unfortunately, the way it was folded, as I unfolded, it was trying to adhere to itself. I tried to clean it and was doing minor damage to it as I did so, and quit. I'm real interested in restoring or replicating this item, I think it would suffice as a rock guard on the road and look good too. Actually I think if padding were added to the back, it would make a better rock guard than the original.

I am interested in maintaining gray-water holding, as near as I can tell I must have 1 tank on the floor in the bathroom closet for the b/room sink, and another below the shower floor for the shower and kitchen sink. I can't get the tambour at the kitchen sink open yet either, and I'm not so sure I'm going to be able to make buddies with tambour, it's been a pain so far and may be innovating a replacement for that.

When the cleaning is done I'll do a full systems check of electric, plumbing and propane and go from there. Is there a drawing available somewhere of the frame layout or electrical schematic ? If so please post a link.

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Old 06-14-2010, 11:31 AM   #16
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I am interested in maintaining gray-water holding, as near as I can tell I must have 1 tank on the floor in the bathroom closet for the b/room sink, and another below the shower floor for the shower and kitchen sink.
If it works the way mine does, the tank in the closet holds water from both the kitchen and bathroom sink. The shower water goes straight out.

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Old 06-14-2010, 02:24 PM   #17
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Try lifting up on the top of the tambour door under the sink as you try to slide it open. The doors stick in the tracks at the bottom for a variety of reasons and lifting up on the front of the door while you slide it sometimes frees the door from the bind. You can also check the area under the stove for screws or rivets that stick into the tambour when someone tried to do some repairs.
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When I got the Argosy some tambours were jammed. Asquirt of WD40 on the bottom track and a little on the top fixed the problem and tey slide like new now, just don't soak the tambour.
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I'm pretty sure I want to just remove the black tank and go with a porta-pottie, can't recall but I think Bob has pics up of a really nice rear bath done this way. That will address our immediate needs and I can always go back later if I want.
I would encourage you to reconsider removing the black tank and toilet. It will require significant modification to the shower pan as the black tank enclosure forms part of the showerpan perimeter. Even if the original Thetford toilet needs to be replaced, the replacement toilet is no more expensive than a high-quality porta-potti.

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I found this really cool canvas for the front glass, it snaps on the outside and is covered in this coppery metallic finish that's just awesome. Unfortunately, the way it was folded, as I unfolded, it was trying to adhere to itself. I tried to clean it and was doing minor damage to it as I did so, and quit. I'm real interested in restoring or replicating this item, I think it would suffice as a rock guard on the road and look good too. Actually I think if padding were added to the back, it would make a better rock guard than the original.
The wrap window shields were an accessory offered by the Byam store for the Argosy coaches. Originally, the intent was to use them during periods of storage to help protect the drapes and upholstery. They do provide modest protection to the glass from damage while towing, but I would still worry about stones or misdirected birds damaging the window using only the fabric covers. The Lexam material used in the Airstream three-piece rock guards deflects stones and wayward birds quite well according to my experience with my Minuet when towing with my Cadillac Convertible . . . .

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I am interested in maintaining gray-water holding, as near as I can tell I must have 1 tank on the floor in the bathroom closet for the b/room sink, and another below the shower floor for the shower and kitchen sink. I can't get the tambour at the kitchen sink open yet either, and I'm not so sure I'm going to be able to make buddies with tambour, it's been a pain so far and may be innovating a replacement for that.
In 1978, the Minuet 6.0 Metre did not contain all of its gray water. The shower did not originally come with gray water collection and adding it is nearly impossible as the drain trap takes up more than 1/2 of the room between the floor and the bottom of the frame members. The tank in the rear streetside corner collects water from the kitchen sink and bathroom vanity (the drain from the kitchen sink runs along the wall behind the bulge around the lower area of the shower stall on the outside wall). The black tank is under the toile and extends under the vanity .

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When the cleaning is done I'll do a full systems check of electric, plumbing and propane and go from there. Is there a drawing available somewhere of the frame layout or electrical schematic ? If so please post a link.
Airstream didn't publish a service/shop manual for the Argosy coaches like they did for the Airstreams. The information from a similar year Airstream shop manual will be very similar but not identical. There is a fairly good owners' manual available for the 1978 Argosys. A reproduction can be purchased from Airstream at this link. Reproduction Airstream service manuals can be purchased at this link.

Good luck with your Minuet!

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Old 06-20-2010, 12:08 PM   #20
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Thanks for the advice, I will def not get in a hurry to tear out the black water, in the end it would probably be as much work as bringing the system up to snuff anyway, maybe more.

I'm not getting much done it's driving me nuts but the heat has been more than a person can take so I've been working on it evenings. The cleaning is done except for the bath, so I could camp it anytime.

I was glad to find out where the front glass canvas cover came from too. When this dude was new, that must have looked awfully sharp.

Well, here's to getting something done today, although it may be 5:00 pm before anything happens. Maybe I can get some pics up today.
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Hi folks, thought I would update on my progress. I've been kinda landslided lately. I have the Argy spotted at my house now, had to cut some limbs and get rid of a big bush first. I've cleaned every square inch, some places twice.

Electrical - I was worried that my converter was shot but it was the battery and since replacing it, no troubles, although I haven't used the 12v system much. I have heard the converter humming and I'll have a friend check it with a volt meter to see how well it's performing. The future upgrade will be an Intelli-power converter/distribution combo. But everything seems to work ok at the moment.

Plumbing - I have to fix a small leak in the w/h closet, but aside from that it's all good. A PO has been thru it and replaced with PEX. Not sure if the w/h works or not because my LP is down for a while. I took Kevins advice and kept the waste tanks in place, I got a porta-pottie so we could get camping. The waste valves won't operate, so that fix gets bumped down the list for a while.

Propane - The line is squashed nearly flat towards the front of the trailer, and I twisted the line to the stove, so this will be a total redo, or close to it.

Appliances - Fridge runs on 110, don't know about propane, but I may tear it out anyhow. We're coming up from tent camping, I don't mind using coolers, and I'd like to reduce electrical use where I can. I may build a nice tight ice chest myself to put there.

w/h is still an unknown. I tore out the stove and tomorrow I'll take it to a guy that can check it out, make any needed repairs and pretty it up. I want it mainly to prepare my sons meals, and of course we'll be grilling outside too.

The furnace I don't know about, doesn't really matter because it's coming out. I won't do a lot of cold-weather outings but I'll use catalytic for heat.

Running gear - The axle needs replaced, up angle on the arms says it all I think. That will be the first major component I replace, this winter or next spring. This years outings will be to a couple of spots neither one is over 25 mi. so I feel ok holding off so we can camp it.

Near future fixes will include LED lights inside and out. I installed a/c, a window unit in the back window, I just couldn't make myself drop the bucks for roof air, right now anyway. I can install/uninstall in about 2 minutes, it won't be in when towing.

I think towards the end of this week, my son and I will roll Vic down the road just about 12 mi. to a nice little private ground, for our first camp in the Argy. We'll mull over some int. deco ideas, fish a little, etc. I have been really inspired by the 2 tone repaints I've seen on the forums, I think I want to do black below the beltline and metallic copper, brass, or gold above, with the wraps done in whatever metallic color I end up choosing as well.

Being as I still haven't got pics up, I'll hold off just a little longer so I can include a couple of shots from the maiden trip. Cheers, everybody !! Danny
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Old 07-06-2010, 04:35 AM   #22
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I would seriously rethink the "coming up from tent camping so coolers are fine" notion. You now have the opportunity to have lunch meat that is not floating in water and popsicles on a hot day. Coolers are a huge PTA and you have not seen how cool it is to have a real refrigerator on board. While on gas that unit will be as good as gold. Gas lines are easy to replace and I encourage you to think this one through.
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I'm with Frank on this one. I too came up from tenting and when I finally had a working fridge in my Argy, I had permagrin my first camping trip.
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I still use a cooler. I like my beer really cold, so floating in ice is something I want my beer to do. My block of cheddar, the left overs from the steak the night before, that I don't like floating in the ice.
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Old 07-06-2010, 08:03 AM   #26
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I would encourage you to reconsider removing the black tank and toilet. It will require significant modification to the shower pan as the black tank enclosure forms part of the showerpan perimeter. Even if the original Thetford toilet needs to be replaced, the replacement toilet is no more expensive than a high-quality porta-potti.
Yes, we replaced our black tank/toilet with a porta-potti. For the two of us, it works just fine. I didn't have to modify the shower pan, but I did have to re-work the bathroom vanity (make it taller) as the black tank resided underneath (partially). The perimeter of the shower pan was no big deal to do.

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The wrap window shields were an accessory offered by the Byam store for the Argosy coaches. Originally, the intent was to use them during periods of storage to help protect the drapes and upholstery. They do provide modest protection to the glass from damage while towing, but I would still worry about stones or misdirected birds damaging the window using only the fabric covers. The Lexam material used in the Airstream three-piece rock guards deflects stones and wayward birds quite well according to my experience with my Minuet when towing with my Cadillac Convertible . . . .
The rock guards are a good idea and are next on our list of things to do...

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In 1978, the Minuet 6.0 Metre did not contain all of its gray water. The shower did not originally come with gray water collection and adding it is nearly impossible as the drain trap takes up more than 1/2 of the room between the floor and the bottom of the frame members. The tank in the rear streetside corner collects water from the kitchen sink and bathroom vanity (the drain from the kitchen sink runs along the wall behind the bulge around the lower area of the shower stall on the outside wall). The black tank is under the toile and extends under the vanity .
Our trailer was retro-fitted with a gray tank by a PO. It's not very big and extends below the belly pan, so it will be replaced at some point in the future with a larger/better fitting tank.

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Airstream didn't publish a service/shop manual for the Argosy coaches like they did for the Airstreams. The information from a similar year Airstream shop manual will be very similar but not identical. There is a fairly good owners' manual available for the 1978 Argosys. A reproduction can be purchased from Airstream at this link. Reproduction Airstream service manuals can be purchased at this link.

Good luck with your Minuet!

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I don't think a service manual is necessary unless it's for appliances that you want/need to repair. Repairs on the structure and systems are pretty straight forward.
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I agree on keeping the fridge, on propane it doesn't use much gas and the ability to freeze stuff is priceless, like fresh ice for your beer cooler. funny how we come back to that isn't it.
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